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| Vivente Basic User Posts : 133  |
Just as a FYI, my 88.10 SH boy and Cream Sable LH boy are both up for stud now!  |
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| Laffy-Taffy Kennels Basic User Posts : 3,000+ |
You guys, we now outnumber WH on the stud list! There are 18 LH/SH studs and 14 WH. Finally! Okay, that was a weird brag...but still, when we started out, we were like 4 to 12 or so... Alexandria |
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| Anemois Basic User Posts : 44 |
Unfortunately, no Brindles from my two source girls :/ Major disappointment, but oh well.. Alexandria- I noticed that too! It's great in some ways, but for the WH breeders, it can be a pain in the neck to stay below 15 COI.... |
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| Amoroso Premium Member Posts : 500+  |
Well, your post realized I forgot to put two WH studs up in this account  lol but yes, LH/SH breeders have much more cooperation it seems! Lots of studs and interbreeding going on In wires, I have been around long enough to be able to breed fairly well on my own, but I am loving this extra collaboration in the other varieties! Em |
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| Laffy-Taffy Kennels Basic User Posts : 3,000+ |
Brindle is very hard to breed. I was lucky to get the ones I did get. Wait for the next generation (if you don't have a problem with over-running your kennel...I have to FH every day...) and then breed them to each other if you can. If you used a different stud, and they're source anyway, so there shouldn't be a problem with inbreeding. You might even have brindle just crop up, since brindle does carry. Alexandria |
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| Laffy-Taffy Kennels Basic User Posts : 3,000+ |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Hey, guys, Dibella bred the new highest SOP SH out of my Amethyst TwinkleLuckyStar!!! 88.60! We're really happenin'. www.showdog.com/dog.aspx?id=12664348 ETA: And then just imagine my surprise when I opened what I thought would be a mediocre litter of LH...and saw this 88.50 LH girl! www.showdog.com/dog.aspx?id=12664186 Alexandria ----- Last edited by Laffy-Taffy Kennels on 10/7/2013 5:02:50 PM |
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| Amoroso Premium Member Posts : 500+ |
Wow Alexandria, I just noticed that! We are making progress in all three varieties! I just had the 91+ wire born tonight (or at least I think): www.showdog.com/dog.aspx?id=12664898. Waiting on some more LH and SH litters to see what pops up! I've been doing more trait breedings lately, though. Em |
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| linlin23 Basic User Posts : 235 |
Once my account becomes premium again I'm going to begin breeding wheatons and brindles! Cannot wait to get started! |
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| linlin23 Basic User Posts : 235 |
Once my account becomes premium again I'm going to begin breeding wheatons and brindles! Cannot wait to get started! |
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| Laffy-Taffy Kennels Basic User Posts : 3,000+ |
Brindle studs up! 39.95 Red Brindle LH www.showdog.com/dog.aspx?id=12604110 19.45 Red Brindle SH www.showdog.com/dog.aspx?id=12604111 Alexandria |
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| Vivente Basic User Posts : 133 |
Anyone interested in a B&T Brindle boy? I got Brindles in this litter, including a Chocolate & Tan Brindle boy and a Red Brindle girl www.showdog.com/dog.aspx?id=12697134 |
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| linlin23 Basic User Posts : 235 |
I'm officially joining the breed! I'm starting with a little brindle work but primarily focussing on breeding up Wheatons and a little later Red Sable. |
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| Laffy-Taffy Kennels Basic User Posts : 3,000+ |
Welcome! Right now, y'all, I've realized I've been focusing on SOP...and not so much color...brindles are HARD to breed... Alexandria |
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| Vivente Basic User Posts : 133 |
Welcome! Let me know if you need some stock since this kennel is always on the verge of having too many dogs  lol! I have been breeding mainly for traits in some of my low 80 dogs, SOP in the higher ones, and just recently started actually getting Brindles. I have another Brindle breeding due soon out of two Brindle parents! |
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| linlin23 Basic User Posts : 235 |
I was looking at some color stuff, so brindle dominates e but is masked by E, right? So only eebr and ebrebr show the brindle, right (just phenotypes, not genotypes)? Are there any colors that will have ee 100% of the time? It appears that blue and tan, Wheaton, and red sable all need reviving, in addition to brindles. Sorry for all the questions...I just want to be sure to get my facts straight right away. |
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| Laffy-Taffy Kennels Basic User Posts : 3,000+ |
I believe so. Emi? And yes, if you ever need a color, a pattern, whatever, let me know. I can't stay under my limit and these are good dogs I'm FHing nearly everyday! If you tell me, I'll be on the lookout for it.  Alexandria |
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| Vivente Basic User Posts : 133 |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) Yup, for the phenotype, eEBr and EbrEbr are the only two that will express brindle. Of course, most (if not all, I haven't thoroughly gone through yet) colors/patterns can have either one of these alleles and pass it on to their offspring, which could theoretically end up being recessive brindles! ETA my most recent brindle litter is a result of this recessive allele popping up on the mother's side. From a litter of five puppies, three of them were brindles of some sort, even though their mother was a red. However, she carried for brindle through her sire and was bred to a brindle, so the two alleles matched up fairly well. The surprising part was where the chocolate & tan came from! There ended up being some chocolate through the dam's side a few generations back, so recessive alleles can be passed on for a while until they match up correctly. And here I was just hoping for red brindles lol. ----- Last edited by Vivente on 10/24/2013 2:06:51 AM ----- Last edited by Vivente on 10/24/2013 2:10:53 AM |
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| Vivente Basic User Posts : 133 |
quoteIn reference to this, I found a wheaten brood in Icebreaker Kennel's account. I got a wildboar to to help revive those from her, and I believe he had a wheaten sire. She had a couple, but this was the only one left in her kennel: www.showdog.com/dog.aspx?id=12354286 Blue & tan is actually fairly common in wires, since I have a couple in my Amoroso account and do have some in here in both LH/SH. They actually aren't too hard to get with the black & tans I've been getting some cream sables, which could produce red sables if bred the right way. Were you the one that asked about my cream sable bitch a while ago before she was breeding age and I wanted to get one breeding from her at least? If so, she is bred and you could have her once she has whelped! Hopefully that helps |
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| linlin23 Basic User Posts : 235 |
Yes, I asked about the cream sable. Thanks for the link, I just bought her as she is for sale. That brood changes things so I need to reconsider my breeding program, it'll be a whole lot easier to revive. I still would like to lease the cream sable bitch after she has whelped, but to revive red sable rather than wheaton. I found an old Wheaton stud, but he's $150 stud fee. I'm going to try and find another stud, or else I can either do a few cream crosses. Multiple cream crosses definitely would take longer, but be cheaper. Hmm, is there anybody who would want to add a Wheaton to their lines? What you said about finding a chocolate and tan reminds me of when I was in Chinese Cresteds. White is SwSw and there was some white on the mother's side like 5 generations back and like 3 generations back on the father's side. I found a single white puppy in a litter, I had to go back and adjust countless genotypes, lol |
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| Laffy-Taffy Kennels Basic User Posts : 3,000+ |
I have 2 red sables or maybe 3, so the color is there. Actually, mine came from Vivente and have been the the highest SOP source animals I've gotten. So, I'm probably gonna have red sable breeding either this week or next, if you're interested in one Alexandria |
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