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I'm thinking about changing the way starter dogs are created. We're still using the same algorithm that we did in 2003 and it creates dogs that are simply crud for lack of a better term.
What I'm thinking about changing it to is a system that would create dogs that are a bit below average of the current breed quality instead.
Let's say that if 1 is horrendous and 100 is top of the breed, it would create dogs in the 25-45 range instead of the 1-5 range.
What's your opinion on this idea?
[I am not talking about SOPs]
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Hallmark Kennels
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I think it's a great idea, I know many breeders like me who besides breeding at the top, also like to start with starters and see how far it gets them, with solely their name on the pedigree.
I second this opinion on creating these new starter dogs, as i believe it will make the process of 'starting from the ground up' much faster, thus, it will continue at a much closer rate to the higher dogs, but with more bragging rights, and being able to say you started with a starter.
In other words, I say bring it on! |
GermanShepherdLove12345
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Woo! Awesome idea! I love it, as I too like to start again every once in a while.
Better for basics, too; their starters might actually be good in the ring! 
I love it!
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Arial Eve
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Sounds like a good idea -- would you also consider an option for established kennels to create starters again (for a price of course)?
Thanks,
Kathy |
Wildsyde
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Hmm...needs some thinking. How would this affect dogs they produce? Ie they'd still have the same source dog parents and would produce some pretty ugly stuff (con)? But OTOH you wouldn't have quite such horrendous starter dogs made and shown by all the poor basics (pro). Would future new breeds be pretty far back (I hope so, but please no new breeds for a long time!)?
Sometimes I think it might be good to not let basics have starters. They make them, get told they're iggy, get frustrated, and leave. I can't see too much of a benefit. And it would sure save on database storage not having all those starter dogs made that instantly get FHed. Maybe if new basics are forced to buy good/better dogs in the 1st place they'd get a more salvory taste of the good stuff to decide to subscribe?
Would it instead be possible to have starters be bought from a central "creation store" for anyone who wanted to buy starters? |
Double Springs
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Good idea,very good idea. |
GermanShepherdLove12345
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posted by Wildsyde
Would it instead be possible to have starters be bought from a central "creation store" for anyone who wanted to buy starters?
Ooh, creation store...I like it.
GSL |
shortie_tall
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I'd rather not. I am just starting to create my own line and am on the second or third generation. I dont want to start all over again with stud fees. |
shortie_tall
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I'd rather not. I am just starting to create my own line and am on the second or third generation. I dont want to start all over again with stud fees. |
shortie_tall
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I'd rather not. I am just starting to create my own line and am on the second or third generation. I dont want to start all over again with stud fees. |
MagicWolf
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I like the idea of a 'creation store' for starter dogs, and the idea of making them somewhat better quality. I think basics should have to buy dogs, and the free starters should either be done away with (if we can buy them from admin) or be a benefit of subscribers only. I do have the same question about what the source dogs contribute - will they be better as well? It would be nice to be able to see the source dog stats that are being contributed, so we can make more intelligent breeding decisions. Maybe the ancestors could also be random starter dog stats? |
Shybade
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I think this would encourage more people to start their own lines- and would help them to get competitive a little quicker. I believe this would be a great thing for the game actually.
On more than one occasion, I was determined to start my own lines in GWP- and I gave up before the Gen 1's were even old enough to breed. They were just far too ugly for me to deal with. Having the starters be a little higher quality may keep people interested in creating new lines.
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Hallmark Kennels
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posted by Shybade
I think this would encourage more people to start their own lines- and would help them to get competitive a little quicker. I believe this would be a great thing for the game actually.
On more than one occasion, I was determined to start my own lines in GWP- and I gave up before the Gen 1's were even old enough to breed. They were just far too ugly for me to deal with. Having the starters be a little higher quality may keep people interested in creating new lines.
^^ I agree with everything said in this post 100%! |
Emerald Meadows
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I would be all for it if we had the opportunity to buy more starters as someone else suggested. That should help those who have already got starter lines going. |
The Lupercal
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ive done starter lines in wel lestablished breeds and also jsut got into dogos and ddbs when they came out and i like things the waythey are.
why let newly arrived people get an advantage the rest of those whove been at it for yrs didnt have. |
FilmScore
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I really like the idea. It can really help out the newer breeds. I also like the idea of a creation store. Those first 5 starters just aren't enough at times to create your own unique line.
Ash
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Liberty Hills
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I am against doing this. The whole challenge of creating a source line was because the dogs were "simply crud". It's part of the feeling of pride when you can say, this line I started from scratch. It's part of the happiness when your hardwork for long months it's taken you and your dedication to reach the quality of showable pups. It has taken some, like myself, at least 14 months of persistence to create a line with pups that reaching the showable standards.
The "simply crud" starter dogs is what inspired myself to start my own line. They were so filled with red and yellow, and now after careful breeding, I even have a few blues and I pride myself with that.
Therefore, I say do not make the starter dogs any better. Keep them how it is.
Sincerely,
Libs |
Brewer farm
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I think it could be beneficial to those breeds who have a really high COI and want a dog thats more on the breed level to help them out.
But I also understand where Libs is coming from. The whole point of breeding starter dogs is to start from crud.
Why not make it a choice? Starter dogs stay crud or there could be a different choice for those who want something better, maybe just for premies? I have no name ideas..or ideas on how that would work...spur of the moment...
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Liberty Hills
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That's a good idea Di. Perhaps these "better quality" starters could come from the "creation store" and only be avaliable for Premi's for, say, $200.
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Brewer farm
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posted by Liberty Hills
That's a good idea Di. Perhaps these "better quality" starters could come from the "creation store" and only be avaliable for Premi's for, say, $200.
Libs
Oh man I like that...a creation store xD I would totally use that. It may even be possible to use it to help the economics of SD...
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maybee
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I don't think it should be done the way you propose. That's the point of starters--they're crud. You work up from there. It's like those breeders who try to get a show dog by breeding their BYB bitch to the latest-greatest. It takes work.
I would think more along the lines of making it more common that you get decent traits, or even dogs that are just more even (i.e. those dogs that are 20, 0, 19.6, 20, and then you've got a nearly-perfect head or something). |
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