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Top Deck
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I usually set my stud fees at $100-$150 depending on the quality and show success of the dog.
In one kennel, it has been suggested that this is too high, with other breeders putting their studs up for $25-$50.
I personally don't think 100-150 is too high as in this particular breed the studs I have up include not only some of the top sops in the breed, but also BIS/BISS & NBISS winners, plus they are producing equally nice pups as themselves.
I just wondered what other peoples thoughts are on stud fees.
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Wildsyde
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I wish they'd never done the $25-50 stud fee, that's too cheap except maybe for source/starter/color breeding. $100 is very reasonable. What I didn't like were breeds where you got basically shut out with $500 stud fees. That's a ton of $ for a kennel starting in a new breed as newbies to a breed rarely can sell pups or get stud fees from their own dogs. And since you rarely get one decent pup out of maybe even 2-3 litters, that $500 doesn't get you much. |
OrchidValleyKennels
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I think $100-150 is a good price, it's usually what I look to pay as it usually means the dog is good quality. It's also reasonable and fair for new players to breeds or with people with slightly less funds (usually me  ) to be able to still breed some show quality pups.
I will occasionally pay more if the dog is exceptional quality but that's rare and depends on the breed and other factors.
I think any dog that has a low enough quality that it's stud fees are $50 is rarely going to get used as a stud anyway. Unless of course it is a source dog for source breeding etc.
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PPvallhunds
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i think thats fine, i normaly have all my studs up at $100, but iv put them down for a while as not many people are using studs in my breed. |
fluttervale
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The only studs I put up at under $100 are color breeders.
Finished Ch's are usually more than $100. In some breeds, $300+ stud fees are "the norm" for a good stud and I will put my studs up at comparable prices. |
Derby City Kennels
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in my own opinion and in my kennels i try to set my stud fees close to what everybody else has, now it may vary according to the merits of each stud, i also try to keep in mind the litter size, will the person breeding to my stud be able to atleast recoup a little from selling off pups they don't want or need. example if you have a boxer and they have pups of 9, then a 250 stud fee is not outrageous cuz they have a very good chance opf selling a pup or back to recoup the stud fee, however if ya have a bulldog who may only have 3 to4 pups then i believe the stud fee would be to high, as they have almost no chance to make anything off the breeding |
SWISSBREEDS
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I usually go with $100-200, top winning dogs (BIS/BISS) will be $200 and I only put colour breeding dogs below $100. These are comparable to the rest of the dogs in my breed but in my other kennels I usually stick to these prices regardless of what everyone else has.
None of the breeds I play in routinely have excessively high fees, I choose not to play in such breeds long term. However, I have dabbled in some such breeds with one or two dogs and occasionally have had a good winner who I have put up for my normal fee and actually made quite a lot of money. People would use my stud on several bitches rather than using the expensive studs on just one |
Ravel
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My breed tends to be a bit quieter, and as a result I always have my stud fees very low to try to encourage a bit more sharing of lines and such. My color boys are always $25, and my unchampioned blue boys are $50.
I dislike having to charge so little, but at the same time, I know many of my boys wouldn't get used if they weren't so cheap. So few dogs in my breed actually get shown, so I have a feeling that, unless the boy was a proven producer, without his championship people wouldn't pay $100 for him.
In some of the hugely popular breeds I see the super high stud fees and it makes me not want to join. $500 for one litter? I understand that they can make more money and such with better show payouts and the revenue from their high prices, but I feel it's a major turn off when it comes to new people joining the breed. |
TriStar Kennels
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I think that's fair in most breeds. For myself, my studs are usually $100-$200 depending on the dog and breed. In breeds where I have color studs that aren't up to show quality they are $25-50 again depending on the breed.
I guess if you are in a breed where your dogs are higher priced than most you have to decide for yourself if you are ok with that or if you aren't getting any stud fees and want more money than perhaps you can do a "stud fee sale" and lower your fees for a certain time period. Also, if I have a stud that is over $100 and someone emails me asking to breed to him for a lower price I will usually do that because I understand sometimes people don't have much money to spend in this game. |
True Colors
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there are breeds i am involved with in other kennels where the stud fees are outrageous. for instance, in one breed, there is one kennel who has all the studs and they are all $300+. this is a rare breed. who is going to get involved when they can't find a female for sale and if they do, they can't afford a stud fee? there is another breed where either people have joined together in a 'coop' or the top kennels are owned by the same people, where the stud fees for all the better dogs are $500. for breeds like this, i breed what i can with my lines and when i am up to high coi, i just let them sit and hope something breaks loose. of course these people win at all the shows too as they have a lock on the higher sop. it's very frustrating as i have at least 3 breeds that are pretty much dying on the vine. sorry this is so long but it's a very touchy subject with me and i have posted on it many times from different kennels.
just wanted to add in another kennel i have a dog who has won 12 best in shows and his stud fee is $150. |
Everdale Goldens
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I usually put all of my studs up at $25-$50. Even my 99.4 sop golden is at $50. I want people to breed to my studs so I need to make the prices reasonable. After all this helps the sire become a bronze sire.  |
Wizard Rajnm Tipster
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I have many kennels and use the lower stud fees ($25-$50) for my color breedings because they are usually not of great quality yet. For my other dogs I use $100 to $200 even for my best dogs. I also do not use an expensive dog for stud from other kennels with only one exeption. An I have only used him for one trait I am working on and only a couple of times. |
Summer Lane Kennels
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All of the stud fees in all of my kennels is $100. I don't breed for color or source breed so it's never less than that.
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Tatonka Corgis
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For me I usually do 100-150 based on the dog, but my older boys will be dropped down to either 25-50. They're still competitive but who knows how long that will last, so for me once they're "over the hill" I'll drop them down in case someone wants to use them for source breeding or the like. |
Xanilla
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posted by True Colors
thereof course these people win at all the shows too as they have a lock on the higher sop.
They don't have a lock - you just choose not to take part in the top of that breed, as you won't pay the stud fees. But if their high SOP studs are available for use, then it's your own choice not to pay the money and get on on "the lock".
Studs in my breed tend to vary from $100 to $500. I use outside studs fairly often, and I normally pay the $500 for the higher SOP studs - the lower SOP boys tend to be the lower priced ones.
With my own studs - the higher the SOP, the higher the stud fee. I breed a lot of litters and spend a lot of money to get SOPs to where I want them, and if someone wants to use my studs, then they pay towards that. Obviously people think it's fair, since my boys get used quite regularly ... |
Cwm Ddu
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...there is another breed where either people have joined together in a 'coop' or the top kennels are owned by the same people, where the stud fees for all the better dogs are $500.
I do sympathise with you, sadly I have in the past been involved with a breed (not in this kennel) where this happened. The kennels involved have now all left but not before the breed suffered for it as many good players chose not to pay exorbitant fees and left the breed. Yes the dogs are at public stud and anyone can use them, but it's a great drain to have to find that amount of money for every outside stud you want to use. Meanwhile, the co operative in effect enjoy free stud use by passing the $500 stud fee backwards and forwards between themselves. Very frustrating and yes, I was one of those who left |
Top Deck
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Thanks for the opinions guys.
I put a lot of effort and time and money into breeding good dogs, and honestly feel 100-150 is a fair price.
I would happily pay that even in my poorest kennel, if it was for a nice, winning stud.
I've never charged $500 or more and wouldn't even consider it.
My dogs are all up on no approval, unlike some of the other breeders, so I guess it's up to the individual.
Perhaps one of the reasons some kennels get far ahead of the others, is that people don't use their studs, even when they are reasonably priced.
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Coleman For
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I think that $25 stud fees are ok for breeds like mine (Chow Chows), where even dogs with a sop as low as he low/mid 70s can be show competitive, because many people want to breed to these dogs but it is really not fair to charge $100 to breed to a 75 sop. $50 or 25 is more reasonable. But for a high 90s sop i see the issue. |
Prima
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Alot of times there are also so few breeders that the kennels jut can not afford higher stud fees or they need the extra money from the stud fees.. |
Skyfeather
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I color breed tolians and you can find stud prices from 25 on up to 200 I believe. Usually the colored dogs are the low priced studs and the higher priced high sop studs are the color that is too common. I find the pricing to be fair with this breed.
I have seen breeds of dogs that the sutd prices are so high that it is either hard or not worth getting involved with that breed also because pups are usually never for sale.
I have another kennel where I am breeding a rare breed. I was source breeding only but have now tried to bring in outside lines to help improve my sop faster. There are never any pups for sale in this breed so when th ebest pup out of my litter is a male Im a stalemate since I cant breed. Ive noticed that the kennels in this breed with the better sop never sell pups- just fh even if you pm about a litter (im not the only one to try pm for a pup) its there right but it also makes it so they dont have competition... |
Stampede
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High stud fees can be prohibitive. Not here, but on SC I am using 2 of my family account kennels for a rare breed. It's almost crazy, with 10 admin source starters at $400 each. One member who does that breed did lower her stud fee to $100 from $300 - after I had already used him, LOL! Due to having 2 accounts for that breed I've put my starter boys up for stud for $100. Hopefully that'll encourage people to work with the breed, but since most is at the source point... it has a long way to go and will be expensive for the two of us actively working with the breed. |
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