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| MaxJax Basic User Posts : 362  |
Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to this. As many of you that own or know Jacks will know, dogs within the same coat type category can still be very different - I have 2 broken coats at home, 1 very long haired, almost soft coat and 1 easy to groom coarse top coat with very little undercoat - both of them are broken, but yet very different. I've seen many variations in each coat type so my guess is that there is more than just 1 gene involved in the makeup of the coat type. But, for the simplicity of this game, I propose that we use just one gene: The coat type loci is 'L', rough is dominant. LL Rough (dominant) Ll Broken ll Smooth (recessive) Here is a new list of all the variations that we will have. Black/White - Rough Coat - 5% AA-Aay-Aas-Aat|CC-Ccch|DD-Dd|LL|spsp-spsw AACCDDLLspsp AACCDDLLspsw AACCDdLLspsp AACCDdLLspsw AACcchDDLLspsp AACcchDDLLspsw AACcchDdLLspsp AACcchDdLLspsw AayCCDDLLspsp AayCCDDLLspsw AayCCDdLLspsp AayCCDdLLspsw AayCcchLLDDspsp AayCcchDDLLspsw AayCcchDdLLspsp AayCcchDdLLspsw AasCCDDLLspsp AasCCDDLLspsw AasCCDdLLspsp AasCCDdLLspsw AasCcchDDLLspsp AasCcchDDLLspsw AasCcchDdLLspsp AasCcchDdLLspsw AatCCDDLLspsp AatCCDDLLspsw AatCCDdLLspsp AatCCDdLLspsw AatCcchDDLLspsp AatCcchDDLLspsw AatCcchDdLLspsp AatCcchDdLLspsw Black/White - Broken Coat - 10% AA-Aay-Aas-Aat|CC-Ccch|DD-Dd|Ll|spsp-spsw AACCDDLlspsp AACCDDLlspsw AACCDdLlspsp AACCDdLlspsw AACcchDDLlspsp AACcchDDLlspsw AACcchDdLlspsp AACcchDdLlspsw AayCCDDLlspsp AayCCDDLlspsw AayCCDdLlspsp AayCCDdLlspsw AayCcchLlDDspsp AayCcchDDLlspsw AayCcchDdLlspsp AayCcchDdLlspsw AasCCDDLlspsp AasCCDDLlspsw AasCCDdLlspsp AasCCDdLlspsw AasCcchDDLlspsp AasCcchDDLlspsw AasCcchDdLlspsp AasCcchDdLlspsw AatCCDDLlspsp AatCCDDLlspsw AatCCDdLlspsp AatCCDdLlspsw AatCcchDDLlspsp AatCcchDDLlspsw AatCcchDdLlspsp AatCcchDdLlspsw Black/White - Smooth Coat - 5% AA-Aay-Aas-Aat|CC-Ccch|DD-Dd|ll|spsp-spsw AACCDDllspsp AACCDDllspsw AACCDdllspsp AACCDdllspsw AACcchDDllspsp AACcchDDllspsw AACcchDdllspsp AACcchDdllspsw AayCCDDllspsp AayCCDDllspsw AayCCDdllspsp AayCCDdllspsw AayCcchllDDspsp AayCcchDDllspsw AayCcchDdllspsp AayCcchDdllspsw AasCCDDllspsp AasCCDDllspsw AasCCDdllspsp AasCCDdllspsw AasCcchDDllspsp AasCcchDDllspsw AasCcchDdllspsp AasCcchDdllspsw AatCCDDllspsp AatCCDDllspsw AatCCDdllspsp AatCCDdllspsw AatCcchDDllspsp AatCcchDDllspsw AatCcchDdllspsp AatCcchDdllspsw Tan/White - Rough Coat - 6.25% ayay-ayas-ayat|CC-Ccch|dd|LL|spsp-spsw ayayCCddLLspsp ayayCCddLLspsw ayayCcchddLLspsp ayayCcchddLLspsw ayasCCddLLspsp ayasCCddLLspsw ayasCcchddLLspsp ayasCcchddLLspsw ayatCCddLLspsp ayatCCddLLspsw ayatCcchddLLspsp ayatCcchddLLspsw Tan/White - Broken Coat - 12.5% ayay-ayas-ayat|CC-Ccch|dd|Ll|spsp-spsw ayayCCddLlspsp ayayCCddLlspsw ayayCcchddLlspsp ayayCcchddLlspsw ayasCCddLlspsp ayasCCddLlspsw ayasCcchddLlspsp ayasCcchddLlspsw ayatCCddLlspsp ayatCCddLlspsw ayatCcchddLlspsp ayatCcchddLlspsw Tan/White - Smooth Coat - 6.25% ayay-ayas-ayat|CC-Ccch|dd|ll|spsp-spsw ayayCCddllspsp ayayCCddllspsw ayayCcchddllspsp ayayCcchddllspsw ayasCCddllspsp ayasCCddllspsw ayasCcchddllspsp ayasCcchddllspsw ayatCCddllspsp ayatCCddllspsw ayatCcchddllspsp ayatCcchddllspsw Tri-Color - Rough Coat - 6.25% asas-asat-atat-|CC-Ccch|DD-Dd|LL|spsp-spsw asasCCDDLLspsp asasCCDDLLspsw asasCCDdLLspsp asasCCDdLLspsw asasCcchDDLLspsp asasCcchDDLLspsw asasCcchDdLLspsp asasCcchDdLLspsw asatCCDDLLspsp asatCCDDLLspsw asatCCDdLLspsp asatCCDdLLspsw asatCcchDDLLspsp asatCcchDDLLspsw asatCcchDdLLspsp asatCcchDdLLspsw atatCCDDLLspsp atatCCDDLLspsw atatCCDdLLspsp atatCCDdLLspsw atatCcchDDLLspsp atatCcchDDLLspsw atatCcchDdLLspsp atatCcchDdLLspsw Tri-Color - Broken Coat - 12.5% asas-asat-atat-|CC-Ccch|DD-Dd|Ll|spsp-spsw asasCCDDLlspsp asasCCDDLlspsw asasCCDdLlspsp asasCCDdLlspsw asasCcchDDLlspsp asasCcchDDLlspsw asasCcchDdLlspsp asasCcchDdLlspsw asatCCDDLlspsp asatCCDDLlspsw asatCCDdLlspsp asatCCDdLlspsw asatCcchDDLlspsp asatCcchDDLlspsw asatCcchDdLlspsp asatCcchDdLlspsw atatCCDDLlspsp atatCCDDLlspsw atatCCDdLlspsp atatCCDdLlspsw atatCcchDDLlspsp atatCcchDDLlspsw atatCcchDdLlspsp atatCcchDdLlspsw Tri-Color - Smooth Coat - 6.25% asas-asat-atat-|CC-Ccch|DD-Dd|ll|spsp-spsw asasCCDDllspsp asasCCDDllspsw asasCCDdllspsp asasCCDdllspsw asasCcchDDllspsp asasCcchDDllspsw asasCcchDdllspsp asasCcchDdllspsw asatCCDDllspsp asatCCDDllspsw asatCCDdllspsp asatCCDdllspsw asatCcchDDllspsp asatCcchDDllspsw asatCcchDdllspsp asatCcchDdllspsw atatCCDDllspsp atatCCDDllspsw atatCCDdllspsp atatCCDdllspsw atatCcchDDllspsp atatCcchDDllspsw atatCcchDdllspsp atatCcchDdllspsw White - Rough Coat - 3.75% AA-Aay-Aas-Aat-ayay-ayas-ayat-asas-asat-atat|CC-Ccch-cchcch|DD-Dd-dd|LL|swsw AACCDDLLswsw AACCDdLLswsw AACCddLLswsw AACcchDDLLswsw AACcchDdLLswsw AACcchddLLswsw AAcchcchDDLLswsw AAcchcchDdLLswsw AAcchcchddLLswsw AayCCDDLLswsw AayCCDdLLswsw AayCCddLLswsw AayCcchDDLLswsw AayCcchDdLLswsw AayCcchddLLswsw AaycchcchDDLLswsw AaycchcchDdLLswsw AaycchcchddLLswsw AasCCDDLLswsw AasCCDdLLswsw AasCCddLLswsw AasCcchDDLLswsw AasCcchDdLLswsw AasCcchddLLswsw AascchcchDDLLswsw AascchcchDdLLswsw AascchcchddLLswsw AatCCDDLLswsw AatCCDdLLswsw AatCCddLLswsw AatCcchDDLLswsw AatCcchDdLLswsw AatCcchddLLswsw AatcchcchDDLLswsw AatcchcchDdLLswsw AatcchcchddLLswsw ayayCCDDLLswsw ayayCCDdLLswsw ayayCCddLLswsw ayayCcchDDLLswsw ayayCcchDdLLswsw ayayCcchddLLswsw ayaycchcchDDLLswsw ayaycchcchDdLLswsw ayaycchcchddLLswsw ayasCCDDLLswsw ayasCCDdLLswsw ayasCCddLLswsw ayasCcchDDLLswsw ayasCcchDdLLswsw ayasCcchddLLswsw ayascchcchDDLLswsw ayascchcchDdLLswsw ayascchcchddLLswsw ayatCCDDLLswsw ayatCCDdLLswsw ayatCCddLLswsw ayatCcchDDLLswsw ayatCcchDdLLswsw ayatCcchddLLswsw ayatcchcchDDLLswsw ayatcchcchDdLLswsw ayatcchcchddLLswsw asasCCDDLLswsw asasCCDdLLswsw asasCCddLLswsw asasCcchDDLLswsw asasCcchDdLLswsw asasCcchddLLswsw asascchcchDDLLswsw asascchcchDdLLswsw asascchcchddLLswsw asatCCDDLLswsw asatCCDdLLswsw asatCCddLLswsw asatCcchDDLLswsw asatCcchDdLLswsw asatCcchddLLswsw asatcchcchDDLLswsw asatcchcchDdLLswsw asatcchcchddLLswsw atatCCDDLLswsw atatCCDdLLswsw atatCCddLLswsw atatCcchDDLLswsw atatCcchDdLLswsw atatCcchddLLswsw atatcchcchDDLLswsw atatcchcchDdLLswsw atatcchcchddLLswsw White - Broken Coat - 7.5% AA-Aay-Aas-Aat-ayay-ayas-ayat-asas-asat-atat|CC-Ccch-cchcch|DD-Dd-dd|Ll|swsw AACCDDLlswsw AACCDdLlswsw AACCddLlswsw AACcchDDLlswsw AACcchDdLlswsw AACcchddLlswsw AAcchcchDDLlswsw AAcchcchDdLlswsw AAcchcchddLlswsw AayCCDDLlswsw AayCCDdLlswsw AayCCddLlswsw AayCcchDDLlswsw AayCcchDdLlswsw AayCcchddLlswsw AaycchcchDDLlswsw AaycchcchDdLlswsw AaycchcchddLlswsw AasCCDDLlswsw AasCCDdLlswsw AasCCddLlswsw AasCcchDDLlswsw AasCcchDdLlswsw AasCcchddLlswsw AascchcchDDLlswsw AascchcchDdLlswsw AascchcchddLlswsw AatCCDDLlswsw AatCCDdLlswsw AatCCddLlswsw AatCcchDDLlswsw AatCcchDdLlswsw AatCcchddLlswsw AatcchcchDDLlswsw AatcchcchDdLlswsw AatcchcchddLlswsw ayayCCDDLlswsw ayayCCDdLlswsw ayayCCddLlswsw ayayCcchDDLlswsw ayayCcchDdLlswsw ayayCcchddLlswsw ayaycchcchDDLlswsw ayaycchcchDdLlswsw ayaycchcchddLlswsw ayasCCDDLlswsw ayasCCDdLlswsw ayasCCddLlswsw ayasCcchDDLlswsw ayasCcchDdLlswsw ayasCcchddLlswsw ayascchcchDDLlswsw ayascchcchDdLlswsw ayascchcchddLlswsw ayatCCDDLlswsw ayatCCDdLlswsw ayatCCddLlswsw ayatCcchDDLlswsw ayatCcchDdLlswsw ayatCcchddLlswsw ayatcchcchDDLlswsw ayatcchcchDdLlswsw ayatcchcchddLlswsw asasCCDDLlswsw asasCCDdLlswsw asasCCddLlswsw asasCcchDDLlswsw asasCcchDdLlswsw asasCcchddLlswsw asascchcchDDLlswsw asascchcchDdLlswsw asascchcchddLlswsw asatCCDDLlswsw asatCCDdLlswsw asatCCddLlswsw asatCcchDDLlswsw asatCcchDdLlswsw asatCcchddLlswsw asatcchcchDDLlswsw asatcchcchDdLlswsw asatcchcchddLlswsw atatCCDDLlswsw atatCCDdLlswsw atatCCddLlswsw atatCcchDDLlswsw atatCcchDdLlswsw atatCcchddLlswsw atatcchcchDDLlswsw atatcchcchDdLlswsw atatcchcchddLlswsw White - Smooth Coat - 3.75% AA-Aay-Aas-Aat-ayay-ayas-ayat-asas-asat-atat|CC-Ccch-cchcch|DD-Dd-dd|ll|swsw AACCDDllswsw AACCDdllswsw AACCddllswsw AACcchDDllswsw AACcchDdllswsw AACcchddllswsw AAcchcchDDllswsw AAcchcchDdllswsw AAcchcchddllswsw AayCCDDllswsw AayCCDdllswsw AayCCddllswsw AayCcchDDllswsw AayCcchDdllswsw AayCcchddllswsw AaycchcchDDllswsw AaycchcchDdllswsw Aaycchcchddllswsw AasCCDDllswsw AasCCDdllswsw AasCCddllswsw AasCcchDDllswsw AasCcchDdllswsw AasCcchddllswsw AascchcchDDllswsw AascchcchDdllswsw Aascchcchddllswsw AatCCDDllswsw AatCCDdllswsw AatCCddllswsw AatCcchDDllswsw AatCcchDdllswsw AatCcchddllswsw AatcchcchDDllswsw AatcchcchDdllswsw Aatcchcchddllswsw ayayCCDDllswsw ayayCCDdllswsw ayayCCddllswsw ayayCcchDDllswsw ayayCcchDdllswsw ayayCcchddllswsw ayaycchcchDDllswsw ayaycchcchDdllswsw ayaycchcchddllswsw ayasCCDDllswsw ayasCCDdllswsw ayasCCddllswsw ayasCcchDDllswsw ayasCcchDdllswsw ayasCcchddllswsw ayascchcchDDllswsw ayascchcchDdllswsw ayascchcchddllswsw ayatCCDDllswsw ayatCCDdllswsw ayatCCddllswsw ayatCcchDDllswsw ayatCcchDdllswsw ayatCcchddllswsw ayatcchcchDDllswsw ayatcchcchDdllswsw ayatcchcchddllswsw asasCCDDllswsw asasCCDdllswsw asasCCddllswsw asasCcchDDllswsw asasCcchDdllswsw asasCcchddllswsw asascchcchDDllswsw asascchcchDdllswsw asascchcchddllswsw asatCCDDllswsw asatCCDdllswsw asatCCddllswsw asatCcchDDllswsw asatCcchDdllswsw asatCcchddllswsw asatcchcchDDllswsw asatcchcchDdllswsw asatcchcchddllswsw atatCCDDllswsw atatCCDdllswsw atatCCddllswsw atatCcchDDllswsw atatCcchDdllswsw atatCcchddllswsw atatcchcchDDllswsw atatcchcchDdllswsw atatcchcchddllswsw Brown/White - Rough Coat - 2.5% ayay-ayas-ayat|CC-Ccch|DD|LL|spsp-spsw ayayCCDDLLspsp ayayCCDDLLspsw ayayCcchDDLLspsp ayasCcchDDLLspsw ayasCCDDLLspsp ayasCCDDLLspsw ayasCcchDDLLspsp ayatCcchDDLLspsw ayatCCDDLLspsp ayatCCDDLLspsw ayatCcchDDLLspsp ayatCcchDDLLspsw Brown/White - Broken Coat - 5% ayay-ayas-ayat|CC-Ccch|DD|Ll|spsp-spsw ayayCCDDLlspsp ayayCCDDLlspsw ayayCcchDDLlspsp ayasCcchDDLlspsw ayasCCDDLlspsp ayasCCDDLlspsw ayasCcchDDLlspsp ayatCcchDDLlspsw ayatCCDDLlspsp ayatCCDDLlspsw ayatCcchDDLlspsp ayatCcchDDLlspsw Brown/White - Smooth Coat - 2.5% ayay-ayas-ayat|CC-Ccch|DD|ll|spsp-spsw ayayCCDDllspsp ayayCCDDllspsw ayayCcchDDllspsp ayasCcchDDllspsw ayasCCDDllspsp ayasCCDDllspsw ayasCcchDDllspsp ayatCcchDDllspsw ayatCCDDllspsp ayatCCDDllspsw ayatCcchDDllspsp ayatCcchDDllspsw Lemon/White - Rough Coat - 1.25% ayay-ayas-ayat|cchcch|dd|LL|spsp-spsw ayaycchcchddLLspsp ayaycchcchddLLspsw ayascchcchddLLspsp ayascchcchddLLspsw ayatcchcchddLLspsp ayatcchcchddLLspsw Lemon/White - Broken Coat - 2.5% ayay-ayas-ayat|cchcch|dd|Ll|spsp-spsw ayaycchcchddLlspsp ayaycchcchddLlspsw ayascchcchddLlspsp ayascchcchddLlspsw ayatcchcchddLlspsp ayatcchcchddLlspsw Lemon/White - Smooth Coat - 1.25% ayay-ayas-ayat|cchcch|dd|ll|spsp-spsw ayaycchcchddllspsp ayaycchcchddllspsw ayascchcchddllspsp ayascchcchddllspsw ayatcchcchddllspsp ayatcchcchddllspsw From here all we need to do is agree  So...Do you want coat type included? Do you agree with the colour choices? Do you agree with the proposed percentages? Is there anything that you think should be changed from this final model? I think the colour additions are on a bit of a break while Jeff is fixing other problems with the site but once we get agreement from the majority of JRT kennels I will make a post in the main colour thread. Sharon  |
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| Jakes Jacks Basic User Posts : 469 |
This looks great Sharon. Thank you. |
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| Purple Haze Kennel Basic User Posts : 71 |
Looks good to me. Thanks for doint that. |
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| Jumping Jacks of Glory Basic User Posts : 1,000+ |
Looks great. Thanks Sharon JJG |
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| Arrosa Premium Member Posts : 275  |
Nice job, thanks for all the hard work. I'm fine with whatever you all want to do for color. |
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| lisa3 Basic User Posts : 2,000+ |
It looks fine. |
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| Gold Fever Basic User Posts : 1 |
Looking at that makes my head spin let alone researching it all  Thank you for all the hard work and time! It has my vote |
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| MaxJax Basic User Posts : 362 |
Thanks everyone for your support & advice, I've learnt so much by doing this and can now relate it back to my own JRTs! I'm going to go ahead and post in the main colour thread and hopefully we'll have colour & coat type very soon.Sharon |
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| Jumping Jacks of Glory Basic User Posts : 1,000+ |
Has it been sent in yet Sharon? JJG |
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| admin Administrator Forum Moderator Posts : 5,000+   |
There are too many missing colors. For just one example, that model doesn't handle AAcchcchddLlspsp |
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| Kenya Kennel Basic User Posts : 139 |
You are missing almost all your dilutes(blue), you only have dd showing up in your white dogs. For every DD/Dd you have, you must also have the dd version, which would be a dilute color. Such as Black and Tan becomes Blue and Cream colored dog. if you include the D locus, you must have full dilute expression factored in somewhere. Dilute brown is usually fawn, lilac, or isabelle. dilute black is blue, dilute lemon..I have no idea. |
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| MaxJax Basic User Posts : 362 |
JRTs don't have blues, well not as far as I'm aware anyway. Which probably means all the blacks and tris should be CCDD but I've contacted Marchen Terriers with the hope that she can help out like she has done with so many other breeds. Sorry everyone, looks like I didn't really know what I was doing |
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| Kachina Kennels Basic User Posts : 385 |
You have a lot of things you don't need - like it looks like you only need AA and at at and yet you have AA, at at, ay ay, and I think as as. If you need further help I could probably help (though I think I saw you contacted someone already that will correct it for you). Smiles, Nic ETA - I missed the first page of this thread somehow. I see where you came up with these. If you want I could possibly redo it for you tonight when my baby goes to bed. |
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| Jakes Jacks Basic User Posts : 469 |
Actually JRT's do and can produce Blue. It is not an accepatable color however it does exist. I believe that we should try to avoid it as who knows how many Blues are CH's in the game and this would never happen in real life. It is also possible to produce Brindle which is also an unaccepatable color. |
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| Marchen Terriers Basic User Posts : 500+ |
I created a model that is a little simpler and includes some of the other colors. Let me know what you think and if there are any questions. A Locus A - Black ay - Tan at - Tri B Locus B - Black C Locus (Does not affect black coloring) C - Dark cch - Diluted ce - Extreme Dilution (white) S Locus sp - White markings W Locus W - Rough w - Smooth May not be technically 100% accurate, but will work for the purposes of this game Black and White Rough Coat AABBCCspspWW AABBCcchspspWW AABBCcespspWW AABBcchcchspspWW AABBcchcespspWW AABBcecespspWW AayBBCCspspWW AayBBCcchspspWW AayBBCcespspWW AayBBcchcchspspWW AayBBcchcespspWW AayBBcecespspWW AatBBCCspspWW AatBBCcchspspWW AatBBCcespspWW AatBBcchcchspspWW AatBBcchcespspWW AatBBcecespspWW Black and White Broken Coat AABBCCspspWw AABBCcchspspWw AABBCcespspWw AABBcchcchspspWw AABBcchcespspWw AABBcecespspWw AayBBCCspspWw AayBBCcchspspWw AayBBCcespspWw AayBBcchcchspspWw AayBBcchcespspWw AayBBcecespspWw AatBBCCspspWw AatBBCcchspspWw AatBBCcespspWw AatBBcchcchspspWw AatBBcchcespspWw AatBBcecespspWw Black and White Smooth Coat AABBCCspspww AABBCcchspspww AABBCcespspww AABBcchcchspspww AABBcchcespspww AABBcecespspww AayBBCCspspww AayBBCcchspspww AayBBCcespspww AayBBcchcchspspww AayBBcchcespspww AayBBcecespspww AatBBCCspspww AatBBCcchspspww AatBBCcespspww AatBBcchcchspspww AatBBcchcespspww AatBBcecespspww Tri-Color Rough Coat atatBBCCspspWW atatBBCcchspspWW atatBBCcespspWW atatBBcchcchspspWW atatBBcchcespspWW atatBBcecespspWW Tri-Color Broken Coat atatBBCCspspWw atatBBCcchspspWw atatBBCcespspWw atatBBcchcchspspWw atatBBcchcespspWw atatBBcecespspWw Tri-Color Smooth Coat atatBBCCspspww atatBBCcchspspww atatBBCcespspww atatBBcchcchspspww atatBBcchcespspww atatBBcecespspww Tan and White Rough Coat ayayBBCcchspspWW ayayBBCcespspWW Tan and White Broken Coat ayayBBCcchspspWw ayayBBCcespspWw Tan and White Smooth Coat ayayBBCcchspspww ayayBBCcespspww Brown and White Rough Coat ayayBBCCspspWW Brown and White Broken Coat ayayBBCCspspWw Brown and White Smooth Coat ayayBBCCspspww Lemon and White Rough Coat ayayBBcchcchspspWW ayayBBcchcespspWW Lemon and White Broken Coat ayayBBcchcchspspWw ayayBBcchcespspWw Lemon and White Smooth Coat ayayBBcchcchspspww ayayBBcchcespspww Grizzle and White Rough Coat ayatBBCCspspWW ayatBBCcchspspWW ayatBBCcespspWW ayatBBcchcchspspWW ayatBBcchcespspWW Grizzle and White Broken Coat ayatBBCCspspWw ayatBBCcchspspWw ayatBBCcespspWw ayatBBcchcchspspWw ayatBBcchcespspWw Grizzle and White Smooth Coat ayatBBCCspspww ayatBBCcchspspww ayatBBCcespspww ayatBBcchcchspspww ayatBBcchcespspww White Rough Coat ayayBBcecespspWW ayatBBcecespspWW White Broken Coat ayayBBcecespspWw ayatBBcecespspWw White Smooth Coat ayatBBcecespspww ayayBBcecespspww |
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| MaxJax Basic User Posts : 362 |
WOW! I had it totally wrong Thankyou so much Marchen! And thankyou to everyone else that gave their input. I'll let Jeff know that it's been fixed. |
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| Rainbeaur6 Basic User Posts : 169 |
Looks great to me. |
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| Jumping Jacks of Glory Basic User Posts : 1,000+ |
Looks great thanks Marchen sooo much JJG |
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| Bounce Basic User Posts : 295 |
We need percents for the newest coat color proposal. |
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| Jumping Jacks of Glory Basic User Posts : 1,000+ |
percents are the same as in the first I believe JJG |
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