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So, started in a new breed that I just realized is run by a super kennel. They are inflating entries for next month by entering all of their entire kennels in one show so the schedule of points will look like Kerry Blue Terriers next month. I won't be able to compete. I'm not interested in playing with that. Sad, the breed is low SOP and they appeared friendly. Ah well. That account runs until the 21st, $5 wasted getting it started. (Also, it's not this kennel, everyone is swell. Come work with us on Affies!)

I'm just sharing because I'm shocked that this is still a thing after all these years.

editing: sorry, I can't even type correctly, I'm just so annoyed

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Last edited by Yishar Kennel on 10/10/2019 7:02:46 PM

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Last edited by Yishar Kennel on 10/10/2019 7:33:40 PM

Super kennels... just, why?

Exactly. The only reason that I can come up with is to keep others out of the breed. I refuse to leave KBTs, but I only breed. I no longer even attempt to show. Sad.

But they aren't the only one in the breed. I kindly PMed them a hello when I started a few weeks ago as I do when I start new breeds. I am not intent on bulldozing into a breed when the game is quite small. It works well to work together - my current breed here has done that. Of course, one may choose to play differently and they can continue to play alone. That's why I left as I do not play that way.

The breed has small litters. I would privately PM you the disaster they are going to create with the schedule of points. Unfortunately, I don't know who the above commentor is. If I have small litters with no way to earn majors because they are stacking competition with no in for anyone else... you see where this is going.

That should say not all top winning dogs are the highest sop.

Yishar here.

I know you are trying to be kind and offer advice on how to "beat" a super kennel (hint: you can't) but some of what you are saying is a little condescending.

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because then there are no 3 pt majors with just 4 dogs to finish their dogs without effort

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This is not an issue of effort on my part. I am not talking about a competitive breed like Dobes Standard Poodles. I am talking about a user with a group of kennels attempting to actively shut out competition, just as you succinctly describe in your first paragraph.

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In a breed with no real challenges THAT can be the challenge that keeps it going because those early dogs had competition so getting one on the board can be an accomplishment in itself.

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I have, more or less, played in Toy Poodles alone since 2017. When the odd user decides to dabble, I adjust my showing to accommodate their class dogs and their breeding program. I do not have to, but I do, my choice. As I mentioned, it helps keep people around. Have my own schedule of points moved up and down over three years? Yes. Have I entered 30+ dogs in one show between several kennels between now and October 30th and handler hogged? No, not really.

I have played on (mostly) and off since June 2006. I know what a super kennel looks like. I do not play with them. My post was more of an anonymous rant at a moment of minor annoyance. I am over it and I will stick to breeds I know.

On a final word, I did not mean to bring up Kerries as a sore spot but if anyone thinks this is normal, well:
www.showdog.com/shows/breed_results.aspx?show=Hunters%20Moon&breed=Kerry%20Blue%20Terrier

You cannot simply "breed better dogs" when you need 7 dogs to earn a single point in one breed, 11 earn 2 points, 14 to earn a single major.

Hi
I could be a super kennel - however I try very hard not to be.
I have multiple kennels in this breed - working on colours in 1 kennel and SOP in the other. I am the only player in this breed.
I am aware of the potential of other players joining in and would welcome this. To make my breed approachable I enter dogs from both kennels in the one show, I use handlers only on champions, I have pups for sale and all my studs are cheap and not on approval.
I must admit that on occasion I will enter a number of dogs under an owner-handler judge. However I need to live with the points required for majors, so I tend not to enter too many dogs.
I have in the past loaned good bitches to other players to get them going on the understanding that I can have them back when they have no further use for them.
I'd rather have the competition.
So if I can lure you away, come and play in Silky Terriers - we even get the occasional BIS.

Rizona - if that is you, I cannot tell - with all due respect, as I said previously, I do not want strategies to "beat" super kennels because I do not play against people who choose to cheat It's just that simple for me on Showdog. Also, I will reserve "lots of patience and hard work and hours hours and more hours" for my professional work outside of the internet. It's much more satisfying. Showdog is a game where I come to relax, which is why I cancelled the other account. It was bothersome at the moment in a breed with lovely Picardy photos and a lower SOP, that I cannot play as desired. Any insinuation that I am unwilling to do battle with those who play unfairly, I will accept, happily, because it is true.



SilknT -- you are far from any definition of a super kennel and it is a pleasure to compete against your Silky Terriers in the group ring. Thank you for the offer.

Timed out again in Rizona . I’m not ashamed of any of my kennels

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I did have someone awhile back who asked me NOT to show against them and I agreed and didn’t and they had the choice of shows usually as I’m not always lining them up ahead. Maybe that was you? If so I’m sorry if I offended you.

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Excuse me? Now I have to laugh.

I do not police how others show and in 14 years, I cannot recall doing so. That is why I backed out of competing against a super kennel, without so much as calling out breeds or kennels. However, I will post about my concerns that are prohibiting others from playing in a, thankfully, very small number of breeds.

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However your original post was more pointing at kennels like SilknT and I have one similar, a main show kennel and one for colors that aren’t up to show quality.

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Where did I say that? Did I mention how many kennels this user has or a specific breed? By that defintion, I am a super kennel as well as I had a brief dabble in colors in my breed:
www.showdog.com/general/user_information.aspx?user=Comet+Colors

Your posts are coming across as awfully defensive. This post is not about you, Intrinsicc, or any of your kennels, as far as I can tell. Now you are speaking of handing people majors. I have had great success on this website in many breeds, none of which came from asking people to stop showing their dogs

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Last edited by Comet Poodles on 10/14/2019 3:55:18 PM

Comet - thanks for vote of confidence re not being a super kennel.
I just get so excited by the possibilities of a breed - look, the forequarter needs work - oh, there are no greys around - that I end up with multiple kennels, all working on something.
I've been quite twitchy about abusing the game and the other players.

I have to show a lot of dogs because nobody else will show the breed I have. I've been actively trying to get people to show bloodhounds but nobody will. If you don't have enough entries, they won't get points. I play this game to show so I want my dogs to get Grand Champion merits. I went back to being a basic player for a while because it was boring not having anyone to compete against and nobody to sell pups to. I was convinced to come back with promises that people would use my genetics and produce some show dogs for actual competition only 1 person did and they stopped showing after about 2 weeks. It's boring. My main goal in this game now is to get BOS, which will hopefully happen one of these days.

I guess I could change breeds but I have so much time and money put into bloodhounds that I hate to change at this point.

I think it can be difficult when you're either completely alone in showing a breed, or the other kennels show very intermittently with only one or two dogs. As of right now, I'm pretty much the only one whose dogs are showing in Pharaoh Hounds. Yeah, there's one or two other kennels who occasionally enter their dogs, but even then - those dogs are mostly still using my prefix and are bred by me, since few others are actively breeding and even fewer are selling their pups.

If someone were to message me about getting into the breed, I'd do my best to re-enter my dogs in a more spread-out fashion to make it easier on the newer person. With so few people playing the game nowadays, though, it can be too easy to become a super kennel and intimidate people enough that they don't join your breeds without meaning to do so.

I do my best to seem welcoming and helpful on the forums to get people to join Pharaoh Hounds, but sometimes it's just difficult.

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Last edited by Whiskey Mac on 10/15/2019 1:47:31 PM

Ah Whiskey - forums ... fora to be precise.

I just don't have the time. It's all I can do to condition, show, sell and breed (and everything except condition sometimes goes by the board). If they want my breed great! Adding a presence on forums is for me a bridge too far.

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posted by SatinSilk
Ah Whiskey - forums ... fora to be precise.

I just don't have the time. It's all I can do to condition, show, sell and breed (and everything except condition sometimes goes by the board). If they want my breed great! Adding a presence on forums is for me a bridge too far.

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The forums are useful. It’s a great way to connect with other players, and there’s nothing wrong with being welcoming and friendly. I would also rather sell dogs to other kennels for $1 than FH them when they’re perfectly finishable.

Sigh - adding to list

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Sigh - adding to list

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I’m not sure what this even means.

I apologize for somehow upsetting you. I’ll refrain from posting in the forums from now on to prevent further upset, I guess.

Just get rid of them and come join me in Bichons!! I beg of you haahha! It will be just like Aff's!

No Whiskey - you didn't upset me.

You just reminded me of breed forums, which I have been neglecting.

So I have added another task to my list.

The sigh was because I don't do enough.

Sorry to be cryptic.