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 Vintage Toys
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3/8/2024 6:47:12 PM reply with quote send message to Vintage Toys Object to Post

I have two kennels that I run with different breeds and I am often too busy to manage them. This just looks like a headache. What's the point...
 BarStar
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3/8/2024 8:31:29 PM reply with quote send message to BarStar Object to Post

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Guess I won't bother to show any of my Mals unless it's a no handler show. No point in going here.

https://www.showdog.com/shows/show_entries.aspx?show=Briarstone%20Bash5&breed=Alaskan%20Malamute

If you ever want to send a fully session Mal over for me to show, I wouldn't mind dipping into that show pool. lol

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 November Rain
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3/8/2024 9:30:19 PM reply with quote send message to November Rain Object to Post

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Guess I won't bother to show any of my Mals unless it's a no handler show. No point in going here.

https://www.showdog.com/shows/show_entries.aspx?show=Briarstone%20Bash5&breed=Alaskan%20Malamute

That's why myself and many others left. (Phantasm here). Those are ALL their kennels.
 DoggyPanache
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3/9/2024 3:18:19 PM reply with quote send message to DoggyPanache Object to Post

Will just sent you a msg.
 OMEGA-S
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3/10/2024 11:15:24 PM reply with quote send message to OMEGA-S Object to Post

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No, not your imagination at all. Malamutes and Dobermans have this going on right now. For me, it’s not a problem when people play each kennel as an individual, it’s when there is a giant superkennel that I, personally, have an issue. I do know the rules about this are no longer enforced, so there is a lot more unethical game play now than there was when I had to stop playing in 2022.

Saoirse

Great Danes, as well.

My brother-in-law said to leave it alone.

I can't, especially when there are players purposely making up lies and spreading them.

According to November Rain,

"The only mega super kennel on here right now is the WP account. 58 kennels, who have told players to leave their breeds and have tried to get Jeff to either ban/suspend/cancel their subscriptions. As for the whole 'it's my kids, family, in-laws, friends, neighbors' that they claim, the entries and last minute withdraw of entries are not when bed times for kids normally are..."

November Rain, enough with the bold outright lies and deceit. Everything you are claiming is false!! No one from the WP Clan has ever told other players to leave a particular breed or have ever tried to get anyone banned/suspended/or canceled. Just the opposite, my mom, sister, and brother-in-law went to bat for you at the end of December when your other accounts and another player were banned for the two of you harassing one another. Here we are again, although this time you are attempting to smear and publicly harass WP. Stop lying and purposely misleading others.1 You have no proof of any of your claims, as there isn't any. You're making things up and it needs to stop.

Yes, in mals there have been some late withdrawals because my brother in law entered into an agreement with you to reduce or keep class entries to a 3pt major. There have also been a handful of late withdrawals by either me or my mom because we are sick of late withdraws where majors are broke or when multiple players enter a handler show, not selecting a handler, and some sneak in 5 minutes before the show closes to enter a dog with a handler. Yup, it's a game, and games are played.

For everyone else, the account WPs is an individual however, WP is used by each member of our Clan who plays ShowDog. Another way to say it, WP is not one individual, WP is a designation used by several people who are part of the same Clan and group of Friends. We all started using the WP designation late last summer to ensure some of the players we were playing against were members of our Clan.

Claims other breeds besides Malamutes are being affected because of WP is laughable. Dobermans are scheduled out weeks in advance by mainly one player and their accounts. These players purposely block youth players from being competive. During handler free shows, those the previously mentioned player likes to double and even triple-enter dogs, thus, making impossible for youth players to know what's going on.

Claims that Standard Poodles and Danes are also affected is a lie, I just looked and there isn't anything to support those claims. Additionally, very rarely are all 5 Dane or Standard Poodle shows filled.

Here's a suggestion for everyone, if you have a problem, take it up with the individual or take it directly to the game admin. Posting false claims causes unnecessary drama
 November Rain
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3/11/2024 8:12:20 AM reply with quote send message to November Rain Object to Post

Okay, then why was night Watch being told these things? She has the screenshots and messages, amongst other conversations. Including one of your clan trying to get Jeff to cancel her subscription.
 Night Watch Kennel
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3/11/2024 8:56:45 AM reply with quote send message to Night Watch Kennel Object to Post

Yes I have screenshots of certain players trying to act in an unsportsmanlike way. I am not, however, going to be discussing what was said, who said it, or when it was said. If someone has a problem with another player, they should take it up with Admin if they can’t let it go. I come here for enjoyment, not for drama, so I’ll say no more on this subject other than to say that Doberman shows are not entered weeks in advance. I enter shows a wee bit in advance, but not that much and I have no problem finding handlers.

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 BarStar
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3/11/2024 12:44:25 PM reply with quote send message to BarStar Object to Post

Omega-WP:

There is an expressed rule of fair play in the game about "Super Kennels". Kennels are not allowed to operate as a cooperative.

You just stated the WP users are a "collective". A collective is just another word for cooperative.

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Above is the rule about selling dogs between kennels.



This dog has clearly moved between 4 WP collective kennels.

I've been back for less than 2 weeks and dabbled in multiple breeds. Your kennels have clearly been stacking shows from 4 or more kennels per show. The dogs you want to win are given the handlers and the filler dogs are entered from other kennels with no handlers. The fact that you knowingly leave handlers off dogs so the dogs with handlers will take the points is a definite sign of a cooperative action. If kennels were being operated independently, the owner would give them a handler to make sure they had a shot at the points.

Folks can look at entries for Alaskan Malamutes and see for themselves.

This is all I've seen from my perspective and am clueless about the other claims mentioned in this thread.

Your collective is 100% a super kennel. No-one can deny this fact.

Will
 BarStar
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3/11/2024 12:44:53 PM reply with quote send message to BarStar Object to Post

Hold on fixing post lol
 BarStar
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3/11/2024 12:54:43 PM reply with quote send message to BarStar Object to Post

It won't let me fix my initial reply.

The first link was for the SD rules on kennel cooperatives.
https://www.showdog.com/help/topic.aspx?id=81

The second link is of a dog that's been sold between 4 WP kennels. You can tell because it's currently owned, bred by, finished by and grand champed by 4 different listed kennels.

https://www.showdog.com/dog.aspx?id=18525346

Just updating.

Will
 XiZang
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3/11/2024 3:29:50 PM reply with quote send message to XiZang Object to Post

To address this:

"... some sneak in 5 minutes before the show closes to enter a dog with a handler..." m

If I have a dog to finish and I find a show with 10 dogs without handlers and the judge is a handler judge, of course I am going to enter my dog and put a handler on. Why wouldn't I? If someone choses not to use a handler, it's their choice. There is no reason I would not take advantage of that. I would say thank you!
 Irish Freedom Kennels
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3/11/2024 4:16:32 PM reply with quote send message to Irish Freedom Kennels Object to Post

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posted by OMEGA-S
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posted by November Rain
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posted by Night Watch Kennel
No, not your imagination at all. Malamutes and Dobermans have this going on right now. For me, it’s not a problem when people play each kennel as an individual, it’s when there is a giant superkennel that I, personally, have an issue. I do know the rules about this are no longer enforced, so there is a lot more unethical game play now than there was when I had to stop playing in 2022.

Saoirse

Great Danes, as well.

My brother-in-law said to leave it alone.

I can't, especially when there are players purposely making up lies and spreading them.

According to November Rain,

"The only mega super kennel on here right now is the WP account. 58 kennels, who have told players to leave their breeds and have tried to get Jeff to either ban/suspend/cancel their subscriptions. As for the whole 'it's my kids, family, in-laws, friends, neighbors' that they claim, the entries and last minute withdraw of entries are not when bed times for kids normally are..."

November Rain, enough with the bold outright lies and deceit. Everything you are claiming is false!! No one from the WP Clan has ever told other players to leave a particular breed or have ever tried to get anyone banned/suspended/or canceled. Just the opposite, my mom, sister, and brother-in-law went to bat for you at the end of December when your other accounts and another player were banned for the two of you harassing one another. Here we are again, although this time you are attempting to smear and publicly harass WP. Stop lying and purposely misleading others.1 You have no proof of any of your claims, as there isn't any. You're making things up and it needs to stop.

Yes, in mals there have been some late withdrawals because my brother in law entered into an agreement with you to reduce or keep class entries to a 3pt major. There have also been a handful of late withdrawals by either me or my mom because we are sick of late withdraws where majors are broke or when multiple players enter a handler show, not selecting a handler, and some sneak in 5 minutes before the show closes to enter a dog with a handler. Yup, it's a game, and games are played.

For everyone else, the account WPs is an individual however, WP is used by each member of our Clan who plays ShowDog. Another way to say it, WP is not one individual, WP is a designation used by several people who are part of the same Clan and group of Friends. We all started using the WP designation late last summer to ensure some of the players we were playing against were members of our Clan.

Claims other breeds besides Malamutes are being affected because of WP is laughable. Dobermans are scheduled out weeks in advance by mainly one player and their accounts. These players purposely block youth players from being competive. During handler free shows, those the previously mentioned player likes to double and even triple-enter dogs, thus, making impossible for youth players to know what's going on.

Claims that Standard Poodles and Danes are also affected is a lie, I just looked and there isn't anything to support those claims. Additionally, very rarely are all 5 Dane or Standard Poodle shows filled.

Here's a suggestion for everyone, if you have a problem, take it up with the individual or take it directly to the game admin. Posting false claims causes unnecessary drama

While I do agree about bringing things to Admin and not getting involved in the drama, and I can’t speak to some of these things, there are two things I, myself, can speak to.

1. Doberman entries. Doberman entries are not, or haven’t been, entered weeks in advance. I know for myself, and one other player, my adult daughter, we enter shows *1 wee*, that’s seven days, in advance. This is not weeks in advance. Yes, I do enter more than one class dog. So do a lot of people. This is not against the rules.

2. You claim the entering so many dogs in Dobermans is making it hard for youth players to be competitive. Then, why, pray tell, has by your own “clan’s” claims, a youth kennel (Apexx), been either the number 1 kennel, right now, or the number 3 kennel, in February? Since this kennel, and I still have the message, is run by a youth, and that’s why his father doesn’t let him correspond with players on the game, (which is a very, very, very sensible thing to do, I might add), your claim that youth players cannot be competitive in Dobermans doesn’t hold water.

I don’t know whether you guys have purposefully been playing as a co-operative, or if things just got out of hand, or something else. And it doesn’t matter to me. The rules clearly state this is not allowed. Just stop it. Play fairly. What kind of an example are you sending to the children by flouting the rules?
 XiZang
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3/12/2024 12:25:23 AM reply with quote send message to XiZang Object to Post

What is a youth entry?
 BarStar
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3/12/2024 12:38:43 AM reply with quote send message to BarStar Object to Post

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What is a youth entry?
My guess is a kid's account.
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3/12/2024 7:56:04 PM reply with quote send message to DoggyPanache Object to Post

Never heard of it.
 DoggyPanache
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3/12/2024 7:56:31 PM reply with quote send message to DoggyPanache Object to Post

No point in wasting my $ except for no handler shows. https://www.showdog.com/shows/entry/index.aspx?id=18682772
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3/12/2024 7:59:50 PM reply with quote send message to DoggyPanache Object to Post

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No point in wasting my $ except for no handler shows. https://www.showdog.com/shows/current_entries.aspx?show=WP%20Malamute%20Classic%2013
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3/12/2024 8:00:51 PM reply with quote send message to DoggyPanache Object to Post

No Message.
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