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I figured while I have nothing to do on this snowy day, i would also give my show bitch Kiki some web time,

Kiki is a west german showline imported from Hauswalder Bach kennel in Germany.

Is she the epitome of the German Shepherd Dog? No, but she has a very clear, honest, stable, free temperament and she is a very happy, geeky dog. She does the work and has fun doing it, but she will never work to the caliber of a working line.

She is NOT extreme in her topline. She is straighter, especially standing 4-square. She is longer, and wider. Typical of the west german showlines, black and red rich pigment, thick polar bear like coat, heavy bone, big ol' head.

She has her hips and elbows rated through SV at "a" normal. She has her breed survey through an SV keormeister. Her V show rating, and her IPO1 title. She actually scored in the 80's for tracking and protection, which is pretty good for the showlines.

Is she a hard dog? No. Is she a fighter during protection? No, she runs on prey drive and goes along for the ride. Is there mental and physical stability, and substance that can be beneficial to the showline german shepherd dog through selective breeding? Absolutely.
She has the freest, happiest, clearest temperament I've ever experienced in a showline, and ive raised/trained 4 of them. She is the only one I actually enjoy living with, the others were complete nerve bags and didnt know how to settle or be "at peace" in their own company. I can take her anywhere, with anyone, in any situation, and do anything with her and she handles it with an "i got this" attitude. She didnt hesitate to be ALL over Santa, all geek style. Where i had never exposed her to such an event before, she was rushed by kids, adults doing the "Your dog is gorgeous" tummy rub where she melted into them. Different surfaces, loud noises, different settings, "shes got this". I can honestly say I love this dog.

She will also be bred in January to an unbelievable working showline that also recieved his IPO2 title at the trial this past weekend where I was with Ollie. He is an incredible example of the breed, he is also not extreme physically and has a very free temperament. He fights and brings a lot to the table in the protection work, helpers that don't know him are very surprised by his power. The line breeding will be on Multiple VA Zamp vom Thermados.

Here is kiki's pedigree for those interested,
www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1840600-kiki-vom-hauswalder-bach

Here is the Geek herself:






I VERY rarely let my dogs out together, especially two intact bitches. Because i would HOPE, yes, hope, that they would do as intact mature bitches would do, and there would be a blood bath.
However, they are both young. Kiki has had a litter, and ollie has not. Kiki is again, more of a "good dog" than a good "german shepherd dog" so she doesnt really have much aggression. However, I will not be able to do this once Ollie has had a litter, her bloodline is very old school and real.

But for now on occasion i let them have fun.




Another reason they do not socialize much at all is because, to be at a high level competitor in the sport the dog must understand that the handler, and the bad guy, are all that matters. Rewards, happiness, fun, comes from me and me only. So obtaining such things from other dogs, where there is no pressure, and a lot more freedom, takes away the value of dog/handler time. On the occasion, it is fine. But not on the regular.

Anywho, enjoy!

Beautiful girl love her rich dark pigment and how she looks standing four square I still love Olie more but this girl is just stunning cant wait to continue seeing pics I have missed them and just love your shepherds you have such an awesome eye on finding a good shepherd.

Jana

VERY interesting to read your description of her temperament and working ability as she is linebred on Zamp.

Thank you so much for posting about your bitches!

Wow - I also really enjoyed this post! Not only the pictures but what you had to say and how you explained everything in depth. I was kind of sad when the post ended! haha Good luck with the litter! I expect pictures!!

Love your dogs and how you went into detail about temperements, i do have some questions, do yourdogs live in the house or in a kennel, and the books i have read have described dogs as pack animals who enjoy the company of other dogs in the household but you keep yours apart? Dogs would prefer not to have solitary lives

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Wow - I also really enjoyed this post! Not only the pictures but what you had to say and how you explained everything in depth. I was kind of sad when the post ended! haha Good luck with the litter! I expect pictures!!

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Thank you!

Something you will notice in my posts, I will not lie about what my dogs are. I know what they are, what they aren't, and what their weaknesses are. I wouldn't falsely state anything about them or their temperament and mental capacity. The GSD world is such a hot mess right now, a lot of the dogs I see that were not bred for work and of certain lines are complete mental disasters, but the people breeding these dogs and promoting these dogs will lie to themselves and others to justify breeding such. I will not. Especially with this breed.

Thank you for being truthful about your dogs, why i asked the question is that i will be getting a young rough collie in 3 months time, her breeder having kept 2 puppies when they reach 6 months she will keepone and i am buying the other one, i hope to do agilty and obiedience with her and wanted to find out the best method of housing her.

Just realize that collies and shepherds are very different in temperament and drive. Obviously, temperaments differ from line to line as well. I'd talk to the breeder about this.

Her breeder keeps all his dogs housed in a large barn, kennels built inside, he has 26 dogs and shows them,