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With many breeds showing 100, I think perhaps it is time for a minor adjustment. It is impossible to tell which 100.0 to keep except by showing it and I don't think I am the only account that is chronically over limit partly/mainly due to this issue. It means I can't show, I can't breed. Really I can't do anything but look at all those pretty numbers.

I have three thoughts on how this issue could be addressed:

3: Add another decimal to the display. This is a temporary fix and has been done before.

2: Increase the point at which we "are over" - ie raise the limit from 30 to 40 for paid accounts. This is a limited fix (unless the numbers are drastically changed) and will have less value to those with large litters (easier to keep all three Boston Terriers than 10 GSDs per litter).

1: Adjust the age at which dogs count toward the kennel limit.
This would be my preferred method. Dogs can start showing at 14 days - this is more or less based on the time scale and I don't think we want to fiddle with this realism. So what if we raise the age at which dogs count? Give us time to show these youngsters as this is the only way to evaluate those 100's. Start the counting at 28 days giving us two weeks to enter and evaluate those 100's.


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Last edited by gaylanstudio on 1/7/2024 2:09:30 PM

Another thing is that with dogs with only 1 or 2 colors, once they reach 100 it's really not much fun anymore.

Re the solutions you suggested, I like the not having them count until 28 or 30 days. I prefer 30 days because they can't be bred till then so it makes sense.

I also like adding another decimal.

Not thrilled about increasing to 40 dogs because I have enough trouble dealing with 30.

Good thinking and good discussion.

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Last edited by Tarot on 1/8/2024 2:36:58 PM

Thanks Tarot.

I had thought about 30 days but figured 28 made sense too. We start showing at 14 days (2 weeks) so I thought 2 weeks of showing was a consistency. It gives you at least 14 shows to see what order your pups are consistently placing. I'd be perfectly happy with 30.

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1: Adjust the age at which dogs count toward the kennel limit.

This would be my preferred method too!

Dogs can start showing at 14 days - this is more or less based on the time scale and I don't think we want to fiddle with this realism. So what if we raise the age at which dogs count? Give us time to show these youngsters as this is the only way to evaluate those 100's. Start the counting at 28 days giving us two weeks to enter and evaluate those 100's.

This kennel handles two "100 breeds" with a third nearing that point and being a "rescue" breed as well.

This is a very frustrating - makes you want to just throw in the towel!

Sanction Matches!
Alternatively, perhaps add classes for "Junior Puppies" 7 to 14 days that don't actually compete for breed/opposite - just male, female, Best Junior Puppy. In real life we have matches where we can show these babies although in real life these matches are mostly for training.

I've had several 100 SOP breeds but didn't keep them long as they are all usually Handler heavy breeds, and if you aren't the first one to enter, you will get the worst handlers.

It is then hard to see actually which ones to keep even with handlers.

I used to sponsor 10 No Handler specialty shows just so I could enter my dogs to see if they were worthy.

We shouldn't have to do this. 100 SOP breeds are not fun. JMHO!!!

I also wish we could sponsor No Handler ALL-BREED Conformation shows.

Adding additional decimals would be helpful to even lower SOP breeds.
Don’t need more dogs, just need to know which of my 6 100.0 puppies are worth keeping on and sessioning

Even keeping the dogs longer to show and see which are the "better" 100 SOP dogs feels pointless to me. I suppose show placements and all-time breed rankings are a goal for some, but beyond that it doesn't feel like there is anywhere to go or any significant headway to make. The dogs all look alike!

I'd kinda like to see a "Showdog 2" complete startover made available. If people really want to keep their old kennels on Showdog it would still be there, but a new "world" where all the breeds start over would be even better than adding another decimal point to me. There's probably not enough player base to make 2 games worth feasible but I can dream LOL.

This is exactly why I have all “source dogs” in all 15 of my kennels. I session the ones I’m keeping with the possibility of showing in obedience and once in awhile, if I’m up late at night, in my less popular breeds I’ll throw them in a show that has no entries for that breed. I am having way more fun starting at “ground zero” than I was with high SOP dogs.

Is Admin even active with this game anymore? I feel like back in the day issues like this were addressed, and plans were made (rollbacks, etc) so people stayed engaged in the game

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posted by OnPoint
Is Admin even active with this game anymore? I feel like back in the day issues like this were addressed, and plans were made (rollbacks, etc) so people stayed engaged in the game

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Yes, Jeff just posted the other day. I’m sure he is here more often than we know.

Carol

Jeff has said in the past, there will be no Reset.

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posted by Clwyd Cockers
Jeff has said in the past, there will be no Reset.

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Assuming a bit here, but does that mean the game is essentially dead and just living out its life as is until it’s no longer economically viable?

Maybe kind of which is upsetting.

Maui Breeze…who knows.
Life without Showdog would be…different and a bit sad, for me at least. Many of us have been plodding along since the beginning.
I only took a break when I was in hospital, many years ago.

I hope he knows it would be a huge loss.

1 easy fix, if all dogs over 50 sop suddenly died

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posted by SnappedOn
1 easy fix, if all dogs over 50 sop suddenly died

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That would literally erase lines some people have taken close to a decade to create. Not a good solution, any SOP adjustment would have to be a resent like the prior one, but Jeff has already states that will not happen and we have to be happy with what we have which is fine. There still are some breeds that are very low SOP across the board people can join if they like the challenge of lower SOP. Silky Terrier is one.

Oh hell no. I have been here since 2007 and that would devastate me.

I'd have to agree with XiZang - that might well be the death of the game.

There are still differences among those 100's. I think we need to stop focusing so much on the SOP calculation - it has no real value to those breeds that are showing all 10.0's. I can't recall the details about how this calculation is done but it was user developed and Jeff added it to the game display some time ago to save us the work. The SOP is just a sort of average of all the traits AS WE SEE THEM. I do not beleve that the judge gives two-hoots about the SOP.

I believe that somewhere Jeff has divulged that there are something like 9 decimal positions in the value that we see for each trait - which is what the "Judge" sees. Thus, when we see a Head 10.0, it can actually be anywhere from 9.95000000 to 10.000000000 to 10.044444444.

(Perhaps someone with more current or indepth knowledge of math/rounding rules will correct or confirm my numbers - I'm pretty rusty?).

This leaves a fair bit of work we can still do, but the results of that work will be invisible to us. It takes one with a much finer "eye" than we have (these are our experienced, "licensed", judges).

Exposing another decimal would help clarify the situation at the trait level - which is really the most important level. In the above example, where we now see 10.0 for each trait, we might see 9.95+ to 10.00 to 10.04-. These all show as 10.0 as things are now.

The reason I had proposed the adustment to the "over limit" number is that our dogs are not showable until 14 days. At 14 days, they start counting and then we often can't show them because we are now over the 30 dog limit. It leaves us nothing but a totally random culling to get back under limit - we might well be culling the next Top Dog All Breeds. There is ZERO skill involved.

The game has and always has had an evaluation tool that most of us, I suspect, do not use to it's full potential and that is the judge's personal trait priority chart, and the "Breed Scale of Points".

"Each judge on ShowDog.Com gives a different amount of weight to each trait of the dogs that they judge in each show."

The only thing left for us as players to figure out is how the judges personal priorities interact with the Breed priorities. To do that properly means we need to show those youngsters before they are counted (through a "baby puppy" series of shows) or through a change in when the "babies" count against the account limit (an increase in the age at which they count).

Changing the "Over Limit" value AND/OR

changing the Showing Age, AND/OR

changing the age when puppies count toward the limit

could all help solve this issue and I can't see that any one of these adjustments should be all that difficult or complicated.