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I'd have to agree with XiZang - that might well be the death of the game.

There are still differences among those 100's. I think we need to stop focusing so much on the SOP calculation - it has no real value to those breeds that are showing all 10.0's. I can't recall the details about how this calculation is done but it was user developed and Jeff added it to the game display some time ago to save us the work. The SOP is just a sort of average of all the traits AS WE SEE THEM. I do not beleve that the judge gives two-hoots about the SOP.

I believe that somewhere Jeff has divulged that there are something like 9 decimal positions in the value that we see for each trait - which is what the "Judge" sees. Thus, when we see a Head 10.0, it can actually be anywhere from 9.95000000 to 10.000000000 to 10.044444444.

(Perhaps someone with more current or indepth knowledge of math/rounding rules will correct or confirm my numbers - I'm pretty rusty?).

This leaves a fair bit of work we can still do, but the results of that work will be invisible to us. It takes one with a much finer "eye" than we have (these are our experienced, "licensed", judges).

Exposing another decimal would help clarify the situation at the trait level - which is really the most important level. In the above example, where we now see 10.0 for each trait, we might see 9.95+ to 10.00 to 10.04-. These all show as 10.0 as things are now.

The reason I had proposed the adustment to the "over limit" number is that our dogs are not showable until 14 days. At 14 days, they start counting and then we often can't show them because we are now over the 30 dog limit. It leaves us nothing but a totally random culling to get back under limit - we might well be culling the next Top Dog All Breeds. There is ZERO skill involved.

The game has and always has had an evaluation tool that most of us, I suspect, do not use to it's full potential and that is the judge's personal trait priority chart, and the "Breed Scale of Points".

"Each judge on ShowDog.Com gives a different amount of weight to each trait of the dogs that they judge in each show."

The only thing left for us as players to figure out is how the judges personal priorities interact with the Breed priorities. To do that properly means we need to show those youngsters before they are counted (through a "baby puppy" series of shows) or through a change in when the "babies" count against the account limit (an increase in the age at which they count).

Changing the "Over Limit" value AND/OR

changing the Showing Age, AND/OR

changing the age when puppies count toward the limit

could all help solve this issue and I can't see that any one of these adjustments should be all that difficult or complicated.

Actually I used to have a spreadsheet that noted the judges' preference along with the breeds' scale of points. But that went out the window when all the judges came back to life. Now there are just too many judges and it would be a full time job.

Back when the judges were reasonable in number, it worked pretty well. I know there are head judges and I should show my Afghans under them, etc. Now there are so many I just don't care anymore and my numbers show it.

To me the easiest thing for Jeff to do would be to, as he had suggested, show the next 1 or 2 decimals. I would think it would be fairly simple to do code wise but I don't understand any of that.

It would reset the game for quite a while. He has promised this game won't go away but it is losing members every day and he needs to do something.

Dalmatians used to be one of my favorite breeds but with 2 colors and 100 for every dog, I have pretty much lost interest. Lost interest in dogs like Goldens long ago.

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posted by SnappedOn
1 easy fix, if all dogs over 50 sop suddenly died

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This comment actually made me laugh. As my breed enters 98+ SOP, I often think about doing my own hard reset, but the thought is exhausting.

I have nothing meaningful to add to the discussion. A minor tweak to the stats would only bring some breeds back to the 100 issue after a few years.

I'd love to see additional decimals for clarity in breeding, but might it also take some of the fun out of the game? I have a 97.5 girl I am campaigning who places over my own higher SOP dogs frequently. I am always astounded by my surprise "stars" and it truly emphasizes how SOP isn't everything.

But neither is 100 in breeds with one or two colors. I dabble in Standards and even there I am surprised, but it's not as exciting.

I think everyone has thoughtful suggestions which would spice up gameplay. To see them implemented, another story.

My breed just reached 100 sop, and something I've been throwing around is a member started reset? What if we got everyone in the breed to agree to sterilize everything and start over with starter dogs? I would be very about this and it essentially resets everything.

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posted by Taylynn
My breed just reached 100 sop, and something I've been throwing around is a member started reset? What if we got everyone in the breed to agree to sterilize everything and start over with starter dogs? I would be very about this and it essentially resets everything.

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I would so be on board with this!

Linz

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posted by Clwyd Cockers
Maui Breeze…who knows.
Life without Showdog would be…different and a bit sad, for me at least. Many of us have been plodding along since the beginning.
I only took a break when I was in hospital, many years ago.

I hope he knows it would be a huge loss.

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I have been playing since 2003. I used to breed and show in real life so playing the game is my dog show fix. We really need Jeff to do another reset. I have one 100% breed, Dobes, but it is really impossible to even guess at which ones are the ones to keep other than certain colors seem to win more than others. My long time breed is the Norwich and we have just had a few 99s for the first time. If Jeff does not want to manage the game anymore maybe he could sell it to someone who would.

Hell no to all dogs over 50 dying !!

It’s taken me over 10 years to get my Gordon’s where they are !

Agree. Not in favor of that or or restarting everything. I guess my choice would be more decimals. And retiring all these judges.

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posted by pooh98
Hell no to all dogs over 50 dying !!

It’s taken me over 10 years to get my Gordon’s where they are !

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thissssssssss

I'm a returning player who stopped playing around the time SOP was introduced to the game so it is surprising seeing how close to 100 the majority of breeds is now.

It would be nice to see the system tweaked so its a little farier, to allow SOPs to lower.

But I have 10 slots free if anyone desperately needs to drop a dog or two, I don't mind babysitting temporarily and I check in daily so can get them back to you quickly

At this point in the life cycle of the game, I don't look for Jeff to make any major changes. I think this is the last game standing on his platform.

Will

Unfortunately, Barstar, I agree with you. I think we are on our own. I would be lost if this game went away, it has filled my RL show void for what now, 17 years I think.

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posted by pooh98
Hell no to all dogs over 50 dying !!

It’s taken me over 10 years to get my Gordon’s where they are !

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thissssssssss

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Is there something wrong with my comment please ?

I understood that to meant that Zoetic was agreeing with you.

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posted by XiZang
Oh hell no. I have been here since 2007 and that would devastate me.

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I agree there has to be something Jeff can do. This is a good game but 100 is boring and we cannot keep all the puppies.

Not sure how a fix will make everyone happy. Is anyone having this issue on the cats or horse games?

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posted by XiZang
Oh hell no. I have been here since 2007 and that would devastate me.

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I agree there has to be something Jeff can do. This is a good game but 100 is boring and we cannot keep all the puppies.

Not sure how a fix will make everyone happy. Is anyone having this issue on the cats or horse games?

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posted by RNF Virtual Kennel returns
Not sure how a fix will make everyone happy. Is anyone having this issue on the cats or horse games?

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The ShowCats and ShowHorse games were shut down years ago. ShowDog is the only game Jeff has running at the moment. It's the last one standing...

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posted by BarStar
I understood that to meant that Zoetic was agreeing with you.

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Right did wonder

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posted by RNF Virtual Kennel returns

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posted by XiZang
Oh hell no. I have been here since 2007 and that would devastate me.

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I agree there has to be something Jeff can do. This is a good game but 100 is boring and we cannot keep all the puppies.

Not sure how a fix will make everyone happy. Is anyone having this issue on the cats or horse games?

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Once you hit 100, you can always slow down breeding operations and focus on showing goals. Think about shooting for GChs and Merit awards on your producers.

Will