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| griffin Basic User Posts : 3,000+  |
I would say in general NO particularly given the ability to buy judges. But I would be in favour of the option to pay RL money to "declare bankruptcy" where the payer's debt could be wiped out - similar to an account reset - for a fee proportional to the amount of debt they have accrued. Similar to RL bankruptcies there would be a limit to how frequently you could do it (maybe like once every 6 months??). grif, |
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| PPvallhunds Basic User Posts : 5,000+ |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) not trying to pick you Canyon just responding to some of your comments quotethere will allways be people who cheat or abuse things, you often see people with more then 1 basic account who get shut down when people notice and report them, many more proberly go unnoticed. There was even a thing a while ago where a kennel was able to cross breed there low sop breed to a higher sop one to improve there quality greatly. If there wasn't people willing ot abuse things to get a better chance jeff wouldn't have to make rules in the first place. quoteThen make sure you manage your money properly like the majority of players do and have managed to do since the game started. You wont have any need to buy money then. quoteBeing around long has nothing to do with the ability to manage money, if people don't lurn how to play the game effectly when they join that there own fault, I was one of those players when I joined and ended up in dept and with crap dogs, I didn't complain or leave I lurnt where I wnet wrong and how to fix it. Also yes there are kennels who don't sell/stud already however if money could be brought the amount of those types of kennel would rise so there would be no advantage for others as those type of kennels wont be buying dogs, using studs or sponsoring shows and wont allow other to use there dogs so it restricts lines. Theres nothing against the rules to stop someone running a closed kennel so jeff could do nothing to prevent it. quotebecause there are both positives and negatives to being able to buy sd money and the negatives effects could spoil the game for other players. When someone gets into dept its down to there own doing, where as if there were more closed kennels some people wouldn't be able to keep up which wouldnt be there own doing. quotepeople who change into closed kennels wont be putting up any dogs for you to infuse into your kennel so it would also restrict some lines. I have no need to buy money so it wouldn't effect me at all either way and im not worried about loseing a top spot as I haven't managed to get and hold on it yet. However I can see how it could negatively effect the game for some other users and I don't see why it should when its not hard to stay out of dept. Yes there will be some positives but if something can cause problems for others and will realy only help some who have gotten themselves into dept I don't see why it should be implemented. ----- Last edited by PPvallhunds on 7/6/2013 9:06:13 AM |
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| Creation Kennel Basic User Posts : 4 |
I would love to seen the admin pop in and give their ideas of what they are thinking about doing. We can bicker amoungst ourselves all we want but the desicion is ultimately theirs. Just a thought.  |
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| Shutterfox Basic User Posts : 389 |
Creation Kennel, it more or less is up to us members. That's why Jeff put up a poll. It's a close call, but it looks as though the consensus is "No" for buying ShowDog money right now. |
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| Degree Premium Member Posts : 500+  |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteIf it was solely up to Admin, they wouldn't have bothered to ask. This would be a huge change to the site. This isn't a 10 character addition to the call name. ----- Last edited by Degree on 7/6/2013 10:57:16 AM |
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| Canyon View Kennels Basic User Posts : 144 |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteBeing around long has nothing to do with the ability to manage money, if people don't lurn how to play the game effectly when they join that there own fault, I was one of those players when I joined and ended up in dept and with crap dogs, I didn't complain or leave I lurnt where I wnet wrong and how to fix it. Also yes there are kennels who don't sell/stud already however if money could be brought the amount of those types of kennel would rise so there would be no advantage for others as those type of kennels wont be buying dogs, using studs or sponsoring shows and wont allow other to use there dogs so it restricts lines. That's hypothetical, you can't state that as if it is a fact. Kist like I can't say it won't. There are many breeder that dominate their breeds now that already play this way, and others don't. That comes down to personal preference. I don't think they should be vilified for closing their kennels to others for whatever reason. I also don't think those who were to buy SD funds should be vilified. They're both a tool that could be utilized if/when they like. Theres nothing against the rules to stop someone running a closed kennel so jeff could do nothing to prevent it. Of course there isn't. Nor should there be. quote because there are both positives and negatives to being able to buy sd money and the negatives effects could spoil the game for other players. When someone gets into dept its down to there own doing, where as if there were more closed kennels some people wouldn't be able to keep up which wouldnt be there own doing. Wait, again, many dominate their breeds now and some have closed kennels, or put their studs and pups up for outrageous prices, so how is that any different then what we could possibly face? I am one of a small few that are on here stating the positives of what could take place, while others are crowing about the negatives. Never have I stated "this is what will happen," but rather what I see could happen. Again, I think it's premature and negligent to think that Jeff would make this something that could be exploited. quote people who change into closed kennels wont be putting up any dogs for you to infuse into your kennel so it would also restrict some lines. Here we go again. You don't know that for a fact, just like I don't know that it won't happen. It's already happening, won't change and I'm dealing with it pretty well now. If you're not or haven't faced it, then that is a bone you have to pick with someone else. It does raise the level of competition, and a goal to strive for, and that is that persons strategy, just like others are stating managing their kennel is theirs. I will not villify people on how they play the game, whether it be by closing kennels, buying funds, running a source kennel. To each their own. I have no need to buy money so it wouldn't effect me at all either way and im not worried about loseing a top spot as I haven't managed to get and hold on it yet. However I can see how it could negatively effect the game for some other users and I don't see why it should when its not hard to stay out of dept. Yes there will be some positives but if something can cause problems for others and will realy only help some who have gotten themselves into dept I don't see why it should be implemented. To each their own. Guess I'm a person that see's a glass full rather then empty kind of person. If someone needs a little monetary help, so be it. Do I think Jeff would implement this without safe guards to stop abuse? No. Just like I think more of my fellow players that they would use it properly and not abuse it. I'm not naive enough to believe there aren't some that would, but they're the same that already have done it or are doing it now. If they haven't been caught, they will be. Just as I believe they would be if buying funds and exploiting it. Timed out above and corrected spelling errors. ----- Last edited by Canyon View Kennels on 7/6/2013 3:19:49 PM |
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| Canyon View Kennels Basic User Posts : 144 |
No Message. |
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| Everkai Basic User Posts : 96 |
Canyon, all your posts make me laugh a little bit... I'm a bit done on this thread, Creation was right, Jeff, in the end, will make his choice. He was getting an opinion. |
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| Canyon View Kennels Basic User Posts : 144 |
quoteI can say the same of yours. Happy I can amuse you! You're correct, Jeff is looking for opinions, and I have given mine. If it's enacted, guess I can look forward to seeing how horrible it is, and save my money, correct? Have a great day! |
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| Everkai Basic User Posts : 96 |
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| Airyah Basic User Posts : 44 |
I think too much people are focusing on the negatives of being able to buy showdog money with real money as opposed to the positives.. |
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| Degree Premium Member Posts : 500+ |
quoteBecause the negatives here outweigh the positives. Again, this would seriously effect gameplay and needs to be throughly reviewed. |
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| Everkai Basic User Posts : 96 |
quoteCan someone post a post that lists all the negatives and positives? Degree? Lilliput? Maybe the ones who want it are focusing to much on the positives rather than the negatives...Degree is right. The negatives, in the end, outweigh by a lot. |
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| Arial Eve Basic User Posts : 500+ |
The greatest positive in this thread is that Jeff even asked for opinions. As the owner of the game, he could choose to offer game play money as a business decision. As it is now, a player can buy more kennels or buy more kennel runs. Jeff could choose to reconfigure his business model away from a monthly subscription towards a model whereby you pay for so much salary per kennel. We all play lots of games where you can 'buy' into the game to get advantages. I bet none of us have been asked an opinion on it. Bottom line is that some would like and some won't. Jeff will make the best business decision for his business. JMO K |
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| Degree Premium Member Posts : 500+ |
Everkai, I would, but that wouldn't create unanimity. I've played this game for seven years in three kennels and dissention has always been a constant. As Arial Eve and a few others have stated, it's Admin's decision. But so long as I have a voice, I'll use it. (By the way, how does having 10 accounts and 50 dogs in a kennel help one financially? That's what we are discussing here.) I am quite enlightened by the financial plight of a lot of players. With safeguards, this could work. But as the game stands, I just don't know. Whatever happens, happens. I'll be over here working on perfecting heads and hindquarters in my breed regardless |
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| Lilliput Basic User Posts : 3,000+ |
I am also flattered you think I'd be good at making such a list, but don't see how it would help. i also think that as a non-neutral party, even if I tried to do it in a non-biased way, people would question my bias. |
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| mettlevant Basic User Posts : 88 |
just curious as to the ulterior reasons the older players seem to be so completely against the concept of buying sd digi$! having played other games where digi cash does give some advantage.however there,s a strong strategy element in the others that can overcome that advantage!i,d like too suggest that admin might consider allowing struggling players some choice in this debate. |
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| Airyah Basic User Posts : 44 |
quoteI disagree. I believe that newer players who quickly go into debt without realising the course of their actions and how difficult it is to get back out of debt would benefit by this. Sure, you can say that the point of the game is to learn how to manage your money, but everyone falls into trouble when they first start out. I'm sure all of you when you first started on showdog quickly lost money and went into debt. The only way to help would be to get more money right? As opposed to waiting months before their daily salary finally got them out of it. And who wants to upgrade a kennel who's in debt? You can't do anything with it, so there'd be no point. I do understand the negatives, but I think it could also have a positive effect on the game and in my own opinion, think it would draw more people into the game. |
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| mettlevant Basic User Posts : 88 |
on the other hand allowing said players to buy the digi dollars would benefit the company behind showdog to make improvements to the3 game! |
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| Shutterfox Basic User Posts : 389 |
I can't keep lurking here hahaha! Airyah, I have to agree with you. When I signed up this kennel, I was new to SD and while I read the rules and help section, it takes a learning curve to understand how the game works. My first dog purchase was a decent/average bitch for $1,000! I don't know if my reasoning was that she had to be really great compared to the others that were only $100 or what. But it wasn't until like a week or two later that I discovered that wasn't the smartest thing to do. People make mistakes, especially newbies, even when they read the help center. When you're just starting out, there's a lot to learn. Guess I learned the hard way! To this date, I have not had more than $800 in my account. I'm currently negative, but am pulling up my balance by practically not playing. I am only showing one dog at a time and my kennel full of a highly competitive breed is really suffering those consequences of lack of improvement to keep up. |
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