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I say yes but only if you have below "$x". It should be for people that are struggling not for people rolling in cash. I'm in a rarer breed and studs and puppy sales are minimal. We all know in the real dog show world we never break even but this is a game, so there should be some incentive to keep playing. Being able to boost your dwindling funds is one of those. Or increase the payouts at breed level?

The good old "but everyone else does it!" argument.

Look, no one is refuting it would help those in debt. But without limits, it would be abused.

I second Summerwind's comments. I'm one of only 6 or so breeders in my current breed, and that means there is just no way puppy sales/ show payouts can keep up, you pretty much HAVE to stack shows to get your majors, since we don't tend to make it to group placements. I'm happy if I recoup half of what I spend in entry fees.

I occasionally manage to sell a dog or two, but most of the time I end up FHing decent dogs who don't have what I'm breeding for when the hit 30.
I'd be happy if I got, oh say half of the food bill for 2wks (or age of dog whichever is lower) , of the ones I have to finally FH back when I send them off.

Or give the option to 'work' x number of jobs per day that pay a random amount, or instead of selling sessions at (usually) $5 ea. trade a session for a job that pays between 5-X dollars. Sessions still go into the trading pool, but we have a chance to get a little more since the market is pretty glutted right now.

I've been playing for years, and when the site was more active the money problem wasn't so bad. You had to watch it, but you could expect to sell puppies on a fairly regular basis, you had more people using your studs, and you didn't have to stack 4-5 dogs in a show just to get a major.

I was actively breeding/selling with anywhere from 25-30 dogs at a time and still had no problem banking close to 10k.

I have to say no to just buying game cash, but someway to earn more in game wold sure be appreciated.

Havva

I also don't like the idea of just buying cash because I could afford to, this is a "quick fix" which would allow people who have spare RL cash to gain advantages in the game without having to use any strategy or effort. I do agree that the financial situation of the game is at an all time low due to falling players but would much prefer to see this remedied in ways which involve players being rewarded for their efforts within the game, such as by bigger pay outs within individual breeds so that more than just the most popular breeds can see some benefit

I agree with that. There should be some other new way to earn money.

I would choose larger show payouts over RL cash, if we were given the option, because it would require players to actually pay attention and work towards their goal. You can do that now all day long and still not break even.

But I still support the RL cash option.

I have no problem allowing users to buy cash. But my preference is to fix the payout system.

I have jumped to BIS breeds in 2 kennels just because there is no other way to keep up financially, breed and show.

If everyone does that, we'd be down to a handful of breeds due to judge bias and some very high SOP breeds.

JMO!
K

I have not voted yet. Interesting comments and valid points. I want to know how it would change our daily salaries if players could pad their bank accounts. Would this help the low balance players or hurt them?

Blunotes

Bluenotes - I think, if memory serves me, that the way salary is calculated is to keep the average balance at $2500, therefore if more players had high balances (i.e. purchasing SD money) then the daily salary would be lower.

I may be wrong but I think that's how it would work.

Summerwind - that was my recollection too. Maybe I am remembering wrong. Seems to me then the low balance players would be hurt by the buying of SD cash. If that is the case, then my vote is no. UNLESS, maybe, for negative balances up to, say $1,500 or $2,000.

Blunotes

I say yes!

And set up a starter shop where you can buy starters of any breed and be able to pick what color you want it to be...

These would be great ways to make the games more financial viable for you too.

Will

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Bluenotes - I think, if memory serves me, that the way salary is calculated is to keep the average balance at $2500, therefore if more players had high balances (i.e. purchasing SD money) then the daily salary would be lower.

I may be wrong but I think that's how it would work.

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I hadn't considered this, I don't think if it is allowed that other players should be put at a further disadvantage if they can't/don't want to pay more RL money to try and keep up with those kennels who can. This would mean that how salaries are calculated may have to be changed to keep things fair.

The way salary is done would be changed. It's been the minimum for an extremely long time because the average balance has stayed up above $2,500.

The average balance of the users that matter in the daily salary (the middle 80% of the users that have logged in during the past two weeks) is $2,572.

The average balance of all active users is actually $2,702.

^ That was me, timed out, sorry.

I'm not keen on this idea either. It would only benefit a small percentage of users who can afford (and are willing) to spend extra cash above what they're already spending to play a game. And it *would* give them an advantage - able to breed more, show more, fill the show with their dogs and pay the handler penalty, afford the expensive studs, not have to "share" studs and puppies with other players.....

I prefer the concept of increasing the show payouts because that is available to ALL players, involves strategy, and I think will increase gameplay across the board.

I just want to be clear that this is a separate subject from the thread on increased show payouts.

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Pretty self explanatory question. Should we allow users to buy showdog money with real money?

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I say yes because breeders who are breeding breeds that do not win big would benefit from this because they cannot make alot of money and I know alot of them say they manage their kennels on a very tight shoe string. It would also allow for higher show payouts and for more show sponsorships.

Interesting thread. I have enjoyed and respect everyones opinions. I vote yes!
Cheers.
OT

As one who's recently gotton sucked in again this kennel, (was doing Border Terriers years ago) but had let this kennel go basic, I am one with a stable balance here, see how long that lasts though . My other kennel, Guiding Senjis, where I do Basenji, has been -5,000 before and came back in the black with careful play. Now it's -6,000 trying to breed, sell of FH dogs keeping minimal in kennel, I will be back. Did find a way to enter shows which DOES slow recovery. I voted no to the use of real money, I think strategy is the key part of the game.
Which it should be.

I have played games that had option to buy things for real money, and did purchase some but think it leans to a younger group as in kids that get cards and such from grandparents, aunts and such.
By the way I don't mean that as negative as it may have sounded. There are mature kids, and immature kids. On other sites involving real money seemed to attract immature people, adults and kids, leading to a gimme level which caused issues sometimes.

Strategy is attracts different people, and it keeps me here.

By the way Jeff I LOVE the new layout. Yes get frustrated sometimes, there is a learning curve. But doesn't flare my major panic levels, maybe because I see it as strategy game not real money.

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posted by admin
Pretty self explanatory question. Should we allow users to buy showdog money with real money?

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I say yes because breeders who are breeding breeds that do not win big would benefit from this because they cannot make alot of money and I know alot of them say they manage their kennels on a very tight shoe string. It would also allow for higher show payouts and for more show sponsorships.

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Then why, in my other kennel, am I above 2k and in a very non popular breed..?

Purrs Port said "I think strategy is the key part of the game.
Which it should be."

Which is a GREAT quote. This is a game, like many of you pointed out, and all the games on Facebook are TRYING to suck in your money. That's why it costs "coints" or whatever to buy all the pretty things. I don't play those games because they're childish and they are a money milker. I don't even like playing iphone apps because they do the same thing. Showdog is the only game that really doesn't milk your money from your pocket. It's a strategy game. If you can't play a strategy game then go to the games on facebook. I'm not trying to sound rude, and I'm not trying to start a fight at all. I'm just trying to understand something. What kind of game is showdog if we add this? A feature for people who mess up and for people who can afford this? Being a premium on dA and having 2 showdog account and yet ANOTHER account on another site, I'm not to fond to have to pay more just to get ahead in the game (if I need to.) I know I don't have to.

I would also be for cutting the max kennel balance down to 15k or so.

There really isn't much need for a kennel to have 25k in the bank.

This would also help remove some of the show sponsorship and judge picking issues.

Will