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Thanks to the help of Royal Monarch Kennels who helped with the rather complex color genetics of afghans here is the list!

Afghan Hounds

Locus-A (agouti)
Genes- ay, at
Ay- restricts dark pigment (red, gold, cream)
at- bi-color (black and tan)

Locus- C (concentration)
Genes- C, cch, cd
C-intense pigmentation
cch- chinchilla dilution (red to cream)

Locus- D (dilution)
Genes- D, d
D- black
d- dilution (black to blue)

Locus- E (extension)
Genes- Em, E, e
Em- black mask (is super dominant and always causes a black mask)
E- allows black
e- prevents black if two copies are present

Locus- K
Genes- K, k, kbr
K-black
k-not black
kbr-brindle


AKC accepted colors and markings:
Black- A locus: at least one Ay gene
C locus: at least one gene C
D locus: at least one gene D
E locus: must not have two "e" genes
K locus: at least one gene K

Black & Silver- A locus: two "at" genes
C locus: two cch genes
D locus: at least one D gene
E locus: must not have two "e" genes
K locus: two "k" genes

Black & Tan- A locus: two "at" genes
C locus: at least one C gene
D locus: at least one D gene
E locus: must not have two "e" genes
K loucs: two "k" genes

Blue- A locus: must not have two "at" genes
C locus: at least one C gene
D locus: two "d" genes
E locus: must not have two "e" genes
K locus: at least one K gene

Blue & Cream- A locus: two "at" genes
C locus: at least one C gene
D locus: two "d" genes
E locus: must not have two "e" genes
K locus: two "k" genes

Cream- A locus: at least one "Ay" gene
C locus: at least one C gene
D locus: at least one D gene
E locus: two "e" genes
K locus: two "k" genes

Red- A locus: at least one "Ay" gene
C locus: at least one C gene
D locus: at least one D gene
E locus: must not have two "e" genes
K locus: two "k" genes

Silver- A locus: at least one "Ay" gene
C locus: two "cch" genes
D locus: at least one D gene
E locus: must not have two "e" genes
K locus: two "k" genes

White- A locus: at least one "Ay" gene
C locus: two "cch" genes
D locus: at least one D gene
E locus: two "e" genes
K locus: two "k" genes

Domino- A locus: two "at" genes
C locus: at least one C gene
D locus: two "d" genes
E loucs: must not have two "e" genes
K loucs: two "k" genes

Markings:

Black Mask- add at least one "Em" in the E locus
Brindle- "kbr""kbr" or "kbr""k" in the K locus
Brindle Black Mask- add "kbr""kbr" or "kbr""k" in the K locus and at least one "Em" in the E locus
Brindle Domino- add two "at" in the A locus, two "d" in the D locus, and one "kbr" to the K locus.

Color percentages:

Black-15%
Black & Silver- 11%
Black & Tan- 12%
Blue- 8%
Blue and Cream- less than 1%
Cream- 15%
Red- 16%
Silver- 8%
White- 6%
Domino- 9%

these same dogs had

Black Mask- 45%
Brindle- 12%
Brindle Black Mask- 6%
Brindle Domino- 4%
No markings- 38%

There is no DQ in the Am Staff Standard. It says

Color
Any color, solid, parti, or patched is permissible, but all white, more than 80 per cent white, black and tan, and liver not to be encouraged.


HS Kennel

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110663

The golden breeders have come to a consensus:

The only gene that varies would be the C Locus
CC - Dark Golden
Cc - Medium Golden
cc - Light Golden

Dark Goldens
AsAsBBCCDDeeggmmSStt

Medium Goldens
AsAsBBCcDDeeggmmSStt

Light Goldens
AsAsBBccDDeeggmmSStt

CC x CC = Only CC Pups
CC x cc = CC, Cc, cc
CC x Cc = CC & Cc
Cc x Cc = CC, Cc, cc
Cc x cc = Cc, cc
cc x cc = cc

Dark Goldens - 33%
Medium Goldens - 34%
Light Goldens - 33%

Well I tried to get German Pinschers started, here's the tread I made:

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110744

I added percents, but have no idea what to use for the genetic markers, I would assume the same as MinPins for two of the three colours Germans come in.

I haven't had a chance to read through all of the posts and I'm not exactly sure where to post the genetic color info for your breed. I've posted it in our breed's forum, but just in case I thought I'd post it here too, as I see a lot of people have posted.

GIANT SCHNAUZERS:
The basics for GS color genetics is B=black and b=pepper salt.

BB=black
Bb= black
bb=pepper salt

RL population proportions are 75% black and 25% pepper salt, just as predicted by chi square.

That's all there is to it! Who knew?

~Suur

ok i don't know if border collies have been posted yet but here goes:



Black & White
Black Tricolor
Blue Merle
Blue Tricolor Merle
Chocolate & white
Chocolate Tricolor
Chocolate Merle
Chocolate Tricolour Merle
Blue and White
Blue tricolour
Slate Merle
Slate Tricolour Merle
Lilac and White
Lilac Tricolour
Lilac Merle
Lilac Tricolour Merle
Red & White
Sable and White
Seal and White


~hotTtrot~

Btw, why is my name/post #/account subscription messed up in the previous post (my post)?

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Btw, why is my name/post #/account subscription messed up in the previous post (my post)?

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Its because u timed out when you were writing it

Here's the German Shorthaired Pointer model.
Many thanks to ShelGrace for their help.

Liver & white ticked - 40%
Liver & white patched and ticked - 25%
Liver Roan - 15%
Solid Liver - 15%
Liver & white patched - 2.5%
Liver & white - 2.5%

From Shelgrace: all GSPs are fixed as KB/KB E/E b/b D/D with the following:

Liver - 15%
S/S T/T R/R
S/S T/t R/R
S/S t/t R/R
S/S T/T R/r
S/S T/t R/r
S/S t/t R/r
S/S T/T r/r
S/S T/t r/r
S/S t/t r/r
S/sp T/T R/R
S/sp T/t R/R
S/sp t/t R/R
S/sp T/T R/r
S/sp T/t R/r
S/sp t/t R/r
S/sp T/T r/r
S/sp T/t r/r
S/sp t/t r/r
S/sw T/T R/R
S/sw T/t R/R
S/sw t/t R/R
S/sw T/T R/r
S/sw T/t R/r
S/sw t/t R/r
S/sw T/T r/r
S/sw T/t r/r
S/sw t/t r/r

Liver and White - Patched and Ticked 25%
sp/sp T/T r/r
sp/sp T/t r/r
sp/sw T/T r/r
sp/sw T/t r/r

Liver and White - Patched 2.5%
sp/sp t/t r/r
sp/sw t/t r/r


Liver and White - Ticked - 40%
sw/sw T/T r/r
sw/sw T/t r/r

Liver and White - 2.5%
sw/sw t/t r/r

Liver Roan - 15%
sw/sw T/t R/R
sw/sw T/t R/r
sw/sw T/T R/R
sw/sw T/T R/r
sw/sw t/t R/R
sw/sw t/t R/r
sp/sp t/t R/R
sp/sp t/t R/r
sp/sp T/T R/R
sp/sp T/T R/r
sp/sp T/t R/R
sp/sp T/t R/r
sp/sw t/t R/R
sp/sw t/t R/r
sp/sw T/T R/R
sp/sw T/T R/r
sp/sw T/t R/R
sp/sw T/t R/r

Scottish terriers, many thanks to Marchen.

A locus
A Dark Pigmentation
au Sable or Tan

C Locus
C Full Pigmentation
cch Chinchilla, Reduces red/yellow pigmentation

E Locus
ebr Brindle
E Dark Black/Brown Pigmentation


Black
AACCEE
AACCEebr
AACcchEE
AACcchEbr
AauCCEE
AauCCEebr
AauCcchEE
AauCcchEebr

Black Brindle
AACCebrebr
AACcchebrebr
AauCCebrebr
AauCcchebrebr

Brindle
AAcchcchebrebr
Aaucchcchebrebr

Red Brindle
auauCCebrebr
auauCcchebrebr

Silver Brindle
auaucchcchebrebr

Wheaten
auauCCEE
auauCCEebr
auauCcchEE
auauCcchEebr


Black - 60%
Black brindle - 10%
Brindle - 8%
Red Brindle - 8%
Silver brindle - 4%
Wheaten - 10%

Didn't get a lot of discussion in the forum, but nobody disagreed so I guess we can call it consensus.

Ok here is what Miniature Poodle Breeders have decided on as far as our colors and genes:


Percentages:
Apricot 5%
Black 30%
Blue 5%
Brown 10%
Cafe Au Lait 1%
Cream 10%
Red 1%
Silver 7%
Silver Beige 1%
White 30%

BB black
bb brown
EE White
ee apricot
VV silver
vv blue
FF red in apricot and brown
dd dilution factor


Black BBEEvv
Brown bbEEvv
Apricot BBeevv
Blue BBEEVv
Silver-Beige BBeeVv
Cream BBeeVv
Silver BBEEVV
White BBeeVV
Red BBeevvFF or bbEEvvFF
Cafe Au Lait bbEEvvdd

Tammy
Breckenridge Poodles

Shih Tzus are now in consensus:

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110797

Please use the same genetic color codes for the Toy Poodles as the Mini's have submitted.

Percentages:
Apricot 5%
Black 30%
Blue 5%
Brown 10%
Cafe Au Lait 1%
Cream 10%
Red 1%
Silver 7%
Silver Beige 1%
White 30%

BB black
bb brown
EE White
ee apricot
VV silver
vv blue
FF red in apricot and brown
dd dilution factor


Black BBEEvv
Brown bbEEvv
Apricot BBeevv
Blue BBEEVv
Silver-Beige BBeeVv
Cream BBeeVv
Silver BBEEVV
White BBeeVV
Red BBeevvFF or bbEEvvFF
Cafe Au Lait bbEEvvdd

Flat Coared Retriever
Black - B
Liver - b

So black would be BB
Black carrying liver would be Bb
Liver would be bb

Majority of Flat coat users agree on a 75% black, 25% liver split to begin with

Thanks

AA - Fawn
Aa - Fawn, Black & Cream carrier
aa - Black & Cream

BB - Black Pigment
Bb - Black Pigment, Liver carrier
bb - Liver Pigment

EE - No Lemon
Ee - No Lemon, Lemon carrier
ee - Lemon

KK - Solid Black
Kk - Solid Black, non-black carrier
kk - Non Black

RR - Brindle
Rr - Brindle, Non Brindle carrier
rr - Non-Brindle

ss - Particolour
Ss - Irish Pied
SS - Non Particolour

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Fawn (Has "A", "B", "E", "kk", "rr" & "S"
AABBEEkkrrSS
AaBBEEkkrrSS
AABbEEkkrrSS
AaBbEEkkrrSS
AABBEekkrrSS
AaBBEekkrrSS
AABbEekkrrSS
AaBbEekkrrSS

AABBEEkkrrSsi
AaBBEEkkrrSsi
AABbEEkkrrSsi
AaBbEEkkrrSsi
AABBEekkrrSsi
AaBBEekkrrSsi
AABbEekkrrSsi
AaBbEekkrrSsi

AABBEEkkrrSsp
AaBBEEkkrrSsp
AABbEEkkrrSsp
AaBbEEkkrrSsp
AABBEekkrrSsp
AaBBEekkrrSsp
AABbEekkrrSsp
AaBbEekkrrSsp

Liver Fawn (Has "A", "bb", "E", "kk", "rr" & "S"
AAbbEEkkrrSS
AabbEEkkrrSS
AAbbEekkrrSS
AabbEekkrrSS

AAbbEEkkrrSsi
AabbEEkkrrSsi
AAbbEekkrrSsi
AabbEekkrrSsi

AAbbEEkkrrSsp
AabbEEkkrrSsp
AAbbEekkrrSsp
AabbEekkrrSsp

Gold Brindle (Has "A", "B", "E", "kk", "R" & "S"
AABBEEkkRRSS
AaBBEEkkRrSS
AaBbEEkkRRSS
AaBbEEkkRrSS
AaBbEekkRRSS
AaBbEekkRrSS

AABBEEkkRRSsi
AaBBEEkkRrSsi
AaBbEEkkRRSsi
AaBbEEkkRrSsi
AaBbEekkRRSsi
AaBbEekkRrSsi

AABBEEkkRRSsp
AaBBEEkkRrSsp
AaBbEEkkRRSsp
AaBbEEkkRrSsp
AaBbEekkRRSsp
AaBbEekkRrSsp

Liver Brindle (Has "A", "bb", "E", "kk", "R" & "S"
AAbbEEkkRRSS
AabbEEkkRRSS
AabbEEkkRrSS
AabbEekkRRSS
AabbEekkRrSS

AAbbEEkkRRSsi
AabbEEkkRRSsi
AabbEEkkRrSsi
AabbEekkRRSsi
AabbEekkRrSsi

AAbbEEkkRRSsp
AabbEEkkRRSsp
AabbEEkkRrSsp
AabbEekkRRSsp
AabbEekkRrSsp

Black & Cream (Has "aa", "B", "E", "kk", "rr" & "S"
aaBBEEkkrrSS
aaBbEEkkrrSS
aaBBEekkrrSS
aaBbEekkrrSS

aaBBEEkkrrSsi
aaBbEEkkrrSsi
aaBBEekkrrSsi
aaBbEekkrrSsi

aaBBEEkkrrSsp
aaBbEEkkrrSsp
aaBBEekkrrSsp
aaBbEekkrrSsp

Chocolate & Cream (Has "aa", "bb", "E", "kk", "R" & "S"
aabbEEkkrrSS
aabbEekkrrSS

aabbEEkkrrSsi
aabbEekkrrSsi

aabbEEkkrrSsp
aabbEekkrrSsp

Black & Brindled Cream (Has "aa", "B", "E", "kk", "R" & "S"
aaBBEEkkRRSS
aaBbEEkkRRSS
aaBBEekkRrSS
aaBbEekkRrSS

aaBBEEkkRRSsi
aaBbEEkkRRSsi
aaBBEekkRrSsi
aaBbEekkRrSsi

aaBBEEkkRRSsp
aaBbEEkkRRSsp
aaBBEekkRrSsp
aaBbEekkRrSsp

Chocolate & Brindled Cream (Has "aa", "bb", "E", "kk", "rr" & "SS"
aabbEEkkRRSS
aabbEEkkRrSS
aabbEekkRRSS
aabbEekkrrSS

aabbEEkkRRSsi
aabbEEkkRrSsi
aabbEekkRRSsi
aabbEekkrrSsi

aabbEEkkRRSsp
aabbEEkkRrSsp
aabbEekkRRSsp
aabbEekkrrSsp

Black (Has "B", "E", "K" & "S" - rest can be anything)
AABBEEKKRRSS
AaBBEEKKRRSS
AABbEEKKRRSS
AABBEeKKRRSS
AABBEEKkRRSS
AABBEEKKRrSS
aaBBEEKKRRSS
aaBbEEKKRRSS
aaBbEeKKRRSS
aaBbEeKkRRSS
aaBbEeKkRrSS
aaBbEeKkrrSS
AABBEEKKrrSS
AABbEeKkRRSS
AABbEeKkRrSS
AABbEeKkrrSS

AABBEEKKRRSsi
AaBBEEKKRRSsi
AABbEEKKRRSsi
AABBEeKKRRSsi
AABBEEKkRRSsi
AABBEEKKRrSsi
aaBBEEKKRRSsi
aaBbEEKKRRSsi
aaBbEeKKRRSsi
aaBbEeKkRRSsi
aaBbEeKkRrSsi
aaBbEeKkrrSsi
AABBEEKKrrSsi
AABbEeKkRRSsi
AABbEeKkRrSsi
AABbEeKkrrSsi

AABBEEKKRRSsp
AaBBEEKKRRSsp
AABbEEKKRRSsp
AABBEeKKRRSsp
AABBEEKkRRSsp
AABBEEKKRrSsp
aaBBEEKKRRSsp
aaBbEEKKRRSsp
aaBbEeKKRRSsp
aaBbEeKkRRSsp
aaBbEeKkRrSsp
aaBbEeKkrrSsp
AABBEEKKrrSsp
AABbEeKkRRSsp
AABbEeKkRrSsp
AABbEeKkrrSsp

Lemon (Has "ee", "S" - rest can be anything)
AABBeeKKRRSS
AaBBeeKKRRSS
aaBBeeKKRRSS
AABbeeKKRRSS
AAbbeeKKRRSS
aabbeeKKRRSS
AABBeeKkRRSS
AABBeekkRRSS
AaBBeeKkRRSS
aaBBeeKkRRSS
aaBBeekkRRSS
aaBbeeKkRRSS
aabbeeKkRRSS
aabbeekkRRSS
AABBeeKKRrSS
AABBeeKKrrSS
AaBBeeKKrrSS
aaBBeeKKrrSS
aaBbeeKKrrSS
aabbeeKKrrSS
aabbeekkrrSS

AABBeeKKRRSsi
AaBBeeKKRRSsi
aaBBeeKKRRSsi
AABbeeKKRRSsi
AAbbeeKKRRSsi
aabbeeKKRRSsi
AABBeeKkRRSsi
AABBeekkRRSsi
AaBBeeKkRRSsi
aaBBeeKkRRSsi
aaBBeekkRRSsi
aaBbeeKkRRSsi
aabbeeKkRRSsi
aabbeekkRRSsi
AABBeeKKRrSsi
AABBeeKKrrSsi
AaBBeeKKrrSsi
aaBBeeKKrrSsi
aaBbeeKKrrSsi
aabbeeKKrrSsi
aabbeekkrrSsi

AABBeeKKRRSsp
AaBBeeKKRRSsp
aaBBeeKKRRSsp
AABbeeKKRRSsp
AAbbeeKKRRSsp
aabbeeKKRRSsp
AABBeeKkRRSsp
AABBeekkRRSsp
AaBBeeKkRRSsp
aaBBeeKkRRSsp
aaBBeekkRRSsp
aaBbeeKkRRSsp
aabbeeKkRRSsp
aabbeekkRRSsp
AABBeeKKRrSsp
AABBeeKKrrSsp
AaBBeeKKrrSsp
aaBBeeKKrrSsp
aaBbeeKKrrSsp
aabbeeKKrrSsp
aabbeekkrrSsp

Fawn Particolour (Has "A", "B", "E", "kk", "rr" & ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"])

Fawn Pied (Has "A", "B", "E", "kk", "rr" & ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"])

Liver Fawn Particolour (Has "A", "bb", "E", "kk", "rr" & ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"])

Liver Fawn Pied (Has "A", "bb", "E", "kk", "rr" & ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"])

Gold Brindle Particolour (Has "A", "B", "E", "kk", "R" & ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"])

Gold Brindle Pied (Has "A", "B", "E", "kk", "R" & ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"])

Liver Brindle Particolour (Has "A", "bb", "E", "kk", "R" & ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"])

Liver Brindle Pied (Has "A", "bb", "E", "kk", "R" & ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"])

Black & Cream Particolour (Has "aa", "B", "E", "kk", "rr" & ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"])

Black & Cream Pied (Has "aa", "B", "E", "kk", "rr" & ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"])

Chocolate & Cream Particolour(Has "aa", "bb", "E", "kk", "R" & ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"])

Chocolate & Cream Pied (Has "aa", "bb", "E", "kk", "R" & ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"])

Black & Brindled Cream Particolour (Has "aa", "B", "E", "kk", "R" & ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"])

Black & Brindled Cream Pied (Has "aa", "B", "E", "kk", "R" & ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"])

Chocolate & Brindled Cream Particolour (Has "aa", "bb", "E", "kk", "rr" & ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"])

Chocolate & Brindled Cream Pied (Has "aa", "bb", "E", "kk", "rr" & ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"])

Black Particolour (Has "B", "E", "K" & ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"] - rest can be anything)

Black Pied(Has "B", "E", "K" & ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"] - rest can be anything)

Lemon Particolour (Has "ee", ["sisw" or"spsp" or "spsw" or "swsw"] - rest can be anything)

Lemon Pied(Has "ee", ["sisi" or "sisp" or "Ssw"] - rest can be anything)

10% Total Solid K "Black" Dogs
- 3% Solid Black
- 2% Solid Black Pied
- 2% Solid Black Particolour
- 1% Solid Liver
- 1% Solid Liver Pied
- 1% Solid Liver Particolour

40% Total Fawn "A" dogs
- 15% Fawn
- 5% Fawn Pied
- 5% Fawn Particolour
- 3% Liver Fawn
- 1% Liver Fawn Pied
- 1% Liver Fawn Particolour
- 3% Red Brindle
- 1% Red Brindle Pied
- 1% Red Brindle Particolour
- 3% Liver Brindle
- 1% Liver Brindle Pied
- 1% Liver Brindle Particolour

40% Black&Cream "aa" dogs
- 15% Black & Cream
- 5% Black & Cream Pied
- 5% Black & Cream Particolour
- 3% Chocolate & Cream
- 1% Chocolate & Cream Pied
- 1% Chocolate & Cream Particolour
- 3% Black & Brindle
- 1% Black & Brindle Pied
- 1% Black & Brindle Particolour
- 3% Chocolate & Brindle
- 1% Chocolate & Brindle Pied
- 1% Chocolate & Brindle Particolour

10% Total Lemon "ee" dogs
- 6% Lemon
- 2% Lemon Pied
- 2% Lemon Particolour

griffin and Lilliput were so kind to respond to my previous requests posted here.

I am back to ask another favor.

In the development of the German Shepherd Dog coding we have attained the colors we, at this point in time want to work with, but need the coding to be completed. (I barely even know what I am talking about. But if you read our discussion you will become aware of our current need.) www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110066&recordnum=0

The second question I have may not be as easy to help us with. We are looking for the percentages of what colors would be produced when breeding German Shepherds using the colors we are working with in our forum discussion. I have written a genetic expert on the subject but have not gotten a reply back at this date.

Thank you, in advance, for any assistance you may offer to us.

Pangea

Beagles are in need of some genetics experts!

Although we're a fairly popular breed none of us really know what the heck we're doing lol.. I'm confident enough to at least take a shot at it but I'd rather not screw it up.

We have a great reference site:
clubs.akc.org/NBC/coat_color_inheritance_in_beagle.htm

If anybody would be willing to help please drop us a line in our breed forum or PM me.

Or, if you don't want to go through all that trouble, if someone would like to explain S locus to me and the possible gene combinations beagles can have for it, I could pretty much take over from there.

Please help! Thanks in advance,
Sasha

Sorry if I shouldn't ask etc, but if anyone could help Polish Lowland Sheepdogs we'd be more then happy!

None of us breed them in RL and as a rare breed, none of us have a clue as there's no sites to explain it to us!

I don't really understand the loci stuff so if anyone could either email me or post in the breed forum we'd be really gratfeul.

Especially as any colour is accepted =\

We just don't have a clue!

Madz

I'm asking for help too. With the Dogue de Bordeaux. I have a post in the breed forum. It tells the colors and markings for the Dogue.

Edited to add:

Thanks to ShelGrace for the help, hopefully I'll be able to post the DDB on here, soon.

I cannot find anything on either Caucasian Mountain dogs or estrelas. Any help would be appreciated! Jen