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 Cloud Nine Goldens
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7/18/2008 12:11:28 AM reply with quote send message to Cloud Nine Goldens Object to Post

Wildsyde, you forgot to say what breed that was for.
 TonkaToys
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7/18/2008 12:50:40 AM reply with quote send message to TonkaToys Object to Post

Those are Pembroke colors....
 Mauvais
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7/18/2008 3:49:50 PM reply with quote send message to Mauvais Object to Post

Here is the final revision for the Lowchen colours:

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110502
 Breckenridge Poodles
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We Mini Poodle breeders have been working on our list of colors that we have agreed on but could really use someone who can write out this gene stuff to help us out, Please...

Thanks
Tammy
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Borzoi now have a model thanks to the generous help of Cloud Nine Springers. So far everyone that has posted is on board with the chart and the percentages.

Based on the diversity of colors regionally and the fact that there are so many different possibilities that can occur in the breed, we've agreed that each base color should be given a 5.88 percentage. The various markings however would need to be left up to the sim if at all possible, as there are over 4000 possible color/marking combinations. Otherwise each potential color would only have a .025% of occurring.

Here's what we have as of 7/31/08 Corrected version:

Updated E Locus
Em - Black Mask
E - Normal
e - Blocks black/brown

Updated S Locus
S - Solid
sp - Piebald Markings
si - Irish White Markings
sw - Extreme White Piebald (Mostly white)

Black
(AA/Aay/Aat) BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) brbr (CC/Ccch/cchcch) (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Black with White Piebald Markings
(AA/Aay/Aat) BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) brbr (CC/Ccch/cchcch) (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Black with White Irish Markings
(AA/Aay/Aat) BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) brbr (CC/Ccch/cchcch) (sisi/sisw)

Black with Extreme White Piebald
(AA/Aay/Aat) BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) brbr (CC/Ccch/cchcch) (swsw)

Black & Brindle
atat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Black & Brindle with White Piebald Markings
atat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Black & Brindle with White Irish Markings
atat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (sisi/sisw)

Black & Brindle with Extreme White Piebald
atat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (swsw)

Black & Cream
atat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) brbr cchcch (SS/Ssp/spsp)

Black & Tan
atat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) brbr (CC/Ccch) (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Black & Tan with White Piebald Markings
atat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) brbr (CC/Ccch) (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Black & Tan with White Irish Markings
atat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) brbr (CC/Ccch) (sisi/sisw)

Black & Tan with Extreme White Piebald
atat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) brbr (CC/Ccch) (swsw)

Brindle
(AA/Aay/Aat) BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch/cchcch) (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Brindle with White Piebald Markings
(AA/Aay/Aat) BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch/cchcch) (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Brindle with White Irish Markings
(AA/Aay/Aat) BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch/cchcch) (sisi/sisw)

Brindle with Extreme White Piebald
(AA/Aay/Aat) BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch/cchcch) (swsw)

Brindled Sable
ayat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Brindled Sable with White Piebald Markings
ayat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Brindled Sable with White Irish Markings
ayat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (sisi/sisw)

Brindled Sable with Extreme White Piebald
ayat BB (EE/EmE/EmEm/Eme/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (swsw)

Cream
ayay BB (EE/Ee) brbr cchcch (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Cream with Piebald White Markings
ayay BB (EE/Ee) brbr cchcch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Cream with Irish White Markings
ayay BB (EE/Ee) brbr cchcch (sisi/sisw)

Cream with Extreme White Piebald
ayay BB (EE/Ee) brbr cchcch (swsw)

Cream with Black Mask
ayay BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr cchcch (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Cream with Black Mask and Piebald White Markings
ayay BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr cchcch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Cream with Black Mask and Irish White Markings
ayay BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr cchcch (sisi/sisw)

Cream with Black Mask and Extreme White Piebald
ayay BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr cchcch (swsw)

Gold
(AA/Aay/Aat/ayay/ayat/atat) BB ee (BRBR/BRbr/brbr) (CC/Ccch) (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)
Also Gold
(AA/Aay/Aat)BB ee(BRBR/BRbr/brbr)(cchcch)(SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Gold with Piebald White Markings
(AA/Aay/Aat/ayay/ayat/atat) BB ee (BRBR/BRbr/brbr) (CC/Ccch) (spsp/spsi/spsw)
Also Gold with Piebald White Markings
(AA/Aay/Aat)BB ee(BRBR/BRbr/brbr)(cchcch)(spsp/spsi/spsw)

Gold with Irish White Markings
(AA/Aay/Aat/ayay/ayat/atat) BB ee (BRBR/BRbr/brbr) (CC/Ccch) (sisi/sisw)
Also Gold with Irish White Markings
(AA/Aay/Aat)BB ee(BRBR/BRbr/brbr)(cchcch)(sisi/sisw)

Gold with Extreme White Piebald
(AA/Aay/Aat/ayay/ayat/atat) BB ee (BRBR/BRbr/brbr) (CC/Ccch) (swsw)
Also Gold with Extreme White Piebald
(AA/Aay/Aat)BB ee(BRBR/BRbr/brbr)(cchcch)(swsw)

Gold Brindle
ayay BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Gold Brindle with White Piebald Markings
ayay BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Gold Brindle with White Irish Markings
ayay BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (sisi/sisw)

Gold Brindle with Extreme White Piebald
ayay BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (swsw)

Gold Sable
ayat BB (EE/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Gold Sable with Piebald White Markings
ayat BB (EE/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Gold Sable with Irish White Markings
ayat BB (EE/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (sisi/sisw)

Gold Sable with Extreme White Piebald
ayat BB (EE/Ee) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (swsw)

Gold Sable with Black Mask
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Gold Sable with Black Mask and Piebald White Markings
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Gold Sable with Black Mask and Irish White Markings
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (sisi/sisw)

Gold Sable with Black Mask and Extreme White Piebald
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (swsw)

Red
ayay BB (EE/Ee) brbr (CC/Ccch) (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Red with White Piebald Markings
ayay BB (EE/Ee) brbr (CC/Ccch) (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Red with White Irish Markings
ayay BB (EE/Ee) brbr (CC/Ccch) (sisi/sisw)

Red with Extreme White Piebald
ayay BB (EE/Ee) brbr (CC/Ccch) (swsw)

Red with Black Mask
ayay BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr (CC/Ccch) (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Red with Black Mask and Piebald White Markings
ayay BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr (CC/Ccch) (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Red with Black Mask and Irish White Markings
ayay BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr (CC/Ccch) (sisi/sisw)

Red with Black Mask and Extreme White Piebald
ayay BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr (CC/Ccch) (swsw)

Red Brindle
ayay BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Red Brindle with Piebald White Markings
ayay BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Red Brindle with Irish White Markings
ayay BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (sisi/sisw)

Red Brindle with Extreme White Piebald
ayay BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) (CC/Ccch) (swsw)

Sable
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr Ccch (SS/SSp/Ssi/Ssw)

Sable with White Piebald Markings
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr Ccch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Sable with White Irish Markings
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr Ccch (sisi/sisw)

Sable with Extreme White Piebald
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr Ccch (swsw)

Sable with Black Mask
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr Ccch (SS/SSp/Ssi/Ssw)

Sable with Black Mask and Piebald White Markings
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr Ccch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Sable with Black Mask and Irish White Markings
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr Ccch (sisi/sisw)

Sable with Black Mask and Extreme White Piebald
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr Ccch (swsw)

Sabled Red
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr CC (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Sabled Red with Piebald White Markings
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr CC (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Sabled Red with Irish White Markings
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr CC (sisi/sisw)

Sabled Red with Extreme White Piebald
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr CC (swsw)

Sabled Red with Black Mask
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr CC (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Sabled Red with Black Mask and Piebald White Markings
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr CC (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Sabled Red with Black Mask and Irish White Markings
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr CC (sisi/sisw)

Sabled Red with Black Mask and Extreme White Piebald
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr CC (swsw)

Silver Brindle
atat BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Silver Brindle with Piebald White Markings
atat BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Silver Brindle with Irish White Markings
atat BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (sisi/sisw)

Silver Brindle with Extreme White Piebald
atat BB (EE/Ee/EmE/EmEm/Eme) (BRBR/BRbr) cchcch (swsw)

Silver Sable
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr cchcch (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Silver Sable with Piebald White Markings
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr cchcch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Silver Sable with Irish White Markings
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr cchcch (sisi/sisw)

Silver Sable with Extreme White Piebald
ayat BB (EE/Ee) brbr cchcch (swsw)

Silver Sable with Black Mask
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr cchcch (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw)

Silver Sable with Black Mask and Piebald White Markings
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr cchcch (spsp/spsi/spsw)

Silver Sable with Black Mask and Irish White Markings
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr cchcch (sisi/sisw)

Silver Sable with Black Mask and Extreme White Piebald
ayat BB (EmEm/EmE/Eme) brbr cchcch (swsw)

White
(AA/Aay/Aat/ayay/ayat/atat) BB ee (BRBR/BRbr/brbr) cchcch (SS/Ssp/Ssi/Ssw/spsp/spsi/spsw/sisi/sisw/swsw)


Black masks were only added to the codes that would allow for it.
 Pyramid
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American Cockers have finally come to a general agreement, YAY! Here's the breakdown:

Black
Black 17%
Black & Tan 5%

ASCOB
Brown 10%
Brown & Tan 5%
Buff 20%
Red 4%
Silver 5%

Parti Color
Black & White 5%
Black White & Tan 5%
Brown & White 5%
Brown White & Tan 4%
Buff & White 5%
Red & White 2%
Sable 3% (Includes Black sable & Brown Sable)
Sable & White 2%


And the codes:

BLACK

EEBBCCAA
EEBBCCAy
EEBBCCAat
EEBBCchAA
EEBBCchAay
EEBBCchAat
EEBBchchAA
EEBBchchAay
EEBBchchAat
EEBBchxchAA
EEBBchxchAay
EEBBchxchAat
EEBBxchxchAA
EEBBxchxchAay
EEBBxchxchAat
EeBBCCAA
EeBBCCAy
EeBBCCAat
EeBBCchAA
EeBBCchAay
EeBBCchAat
EeBBchchAA
EeBBchchAay
EeBBchchAat
EeBBchxchAA
EeBBchxchAay
EeBBchxchAat
EeBBxchxchAA
EeBBxchxchAay
EeBBxchxchAat
EEBbCCAA
EEBbCCAy
EEBbCCAat
EEBbCchAA
EEBbCchAay
EEBbCchAat
EEBbchchAA
EEBbchchAay
EEBbchchAat
EEBbchxchAA
EEBbchxchAay
EEBbchxchAat
EEBbxchxchAA
EEBbxchxchAay
EEBbxchxchAat
EeBbCCAA
EeBbCCAy
EeBbCCAat
EeBbCchAA
EeBbCchAay
EeBbCchAat
EeBbchchAA
EeBbchchAay
EeBbchchAat
EeBbchxchAA
EeBbchxchAay
EeBbchxchAat
EeBbxchxchAA
EeBbxchxchAay
EeBbxchxchAat

BLACK SABLE

EEBBCCayay
EEBBCchayay
EEBBCxchayay
EEBBchchayay
EEBBchxchayay
EEBBxchxchayay
EEBbCCayay
EEBbCchayay
EEBbCxchayay
EEBbchchayay
EEBbchxchayay
EEBbxchxchayay
EeBBCCayay
EeBBCchayay
EeBBCxchayay
EeBBchchayay
EeBBchxchayay
EeBBxchxchayay
EeBbCCayay
EeBbCchayay
EeBbCxchayay
EeBbchchayay
EeBbchxchayay
EeBbxchxchayay
EEBBCCayat
EEBBCchayat
EEBBCxchayat
EEBBchchayat
EEBBchxchayat
EEBBxchxchayat
EEBbCCayat
EEBbCchayat
EEBbCxchayat
EEBbchchayat
EEBbchxchayat
EEBbxchxchayat
EeBBCCayat
EeBBCchayat
EeBBCxchayat
EeBBchchayat
EeBBchxchayat
EeBBxchxchayat
EeBbCCayat
EeBbCchayat
EeBbCxchayat
EeBbchchayat
EeBbchxchayat
EeBbxchxchayat

BLACK & TAN

EEBBCCatat
EEBBCchatat
EEBBCxchatat
EEBBchchatat
EEBBchxchatat
EEBBxchxchatat
EEBbCCatat
EEBbCchatat
EEBbCxchatat
EEBbchchatat
EEBbchxchatat
EEBbxchxchatat
EeBBCCatat
EeBBCchatat
EeBBCxchatat
EeBBchchatat
EeBBchxchatat
EeBBxchxchatat
EeBbCCatat
EeBbCchatat
EeBbCxchatat
EeBbchchatat
EeBbchxchatat
EeBbxchxchatat

BROWN

EEbbCCAA
EEbbCCAy
EEbbCCAat
EEbbCchAA
EEbbCchAay
EEbbCxchAat
EEbbchchAA
EEbbchchAay
EEbbchchAat
EEbbchxchAA
EEbbchxchAay
EEbbchxchAat
EEbbxchxchAA
EEbbxchxchAay
EEbbxchxchAat
EebbCCAA
EebbCCAy
EebbCCAat
EebbCchAA
EebbCchAay
EebbCxchAat
EebbchchAA
EebbchchAay
EebbchchAat
EebbchxchAA
EebbchxchAay
EebbchxchAat
EebbxchxchAA
EebbxchxchAay
EebbxchxchAat

BROWN SABLE

EEbbCCayay
EEbbCchayay
EEbbCxchayay
EEbbchchayay
EEbbchxchayay
EEbbxchxchayay
EebbCCayay
EebbCchayay
EebbCxchayay
Eebbchchayay
Eebbchxchayay
Eebbxchxchayay
EEbbCCayat
EEbbCchayat
EEbbCxchayat
EEbbchchayat
EEbbchxchayat
EEbbxchxchayat
EebbCCayat
EebbCchayat
EebbCxchayat
Eebbchchayat
Eebbchxchayat
Eebbxchxchayat


BROWN & TAN

EEbbCCatat
EEbbCchatat
EEbbCxchatat
EEbbchchatat
EEbbchxchatat
EEbbxchxchatat
EebbCCatat
EebbCchatat
EebbCxchatat
Eebbchchatat
Eebbchxchatat
Eebbxchxchatat

RED

eeBBCCAA
eeBBCCAy
eeBBCCAat
eeBbCCAA
eeBbCCAy
eeBbCCAat
eebbCCAA
eebbCCAy
eebbCCAat
eeBBCchAA
eeBBCchAay
eeBBCchAat
eeBbCchAA
eeBbCchAay
eeBbCchAat
eebbCchAA
eebbCchAay
eebbCchAat
eeBBCxchAA
eeBBCxchAay
eeBBCxchAat
eeBbCxchAA
eeBbCxchAay
eeBbCxchAat
eebbCxchAA
eebbCxchAay
eebbCxchAat


BUFF

eeBBchchAA
eeBBchchAay
eeBBchchAat
eeBbchchAA
eeBbchchAay
eeBbchchAat
eebbchchAA
eebbchchAay
eebbchchAat
eeBBchxchAA
eeBBchxchAay
eeBBchxchAat
eeBbchxchAA
eeBbchxchAay
eeBbchxchAat
eebbchxchAA
eebbchxchAay
eebbchxchAat

SILVER
eeBBxchxchAA
eeBBxchxchAay
eeBBxchxchAat
eeBbxchxchAA
eeBbxchxchAay
eeBbxchxchAat
eebbxchxchAA
eebbxchxchAay
eebbxchxchAat



NOW take one pattern from above and add to one below for your spotting:


SOLID

SStt
Ssptt

SOLID, carries for TICKED

SSTT
SspTT
SSTt
SspTt

**adding parti to a black & Tan makes a Black Tri, A Brown & Tan a Brown (or Chocolate)Tri

PARTI, CLEAR

spsptt

PARTI, TICKED

spspTT
spspTt
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 Leslie and Lindsay
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English Springer Spaniels
We come up with a compromise.

Color Distribution
35% Liver & White
30% Black & White
19% Liver Tri
16% Black Tri

Genetic Code
Locus - A
Genes - As (solid, meaning just one color and white), at (tri-colored)

Locus - B
Genes - BB (Black), Bb (Black carrying liver), bb (liver)

AsAs BB Solid Black and White
AsAs Bb Solid Black and White (Carrying Liver)
AsAs bb Solid Liver and White

Asat BB Solid Black and White, Tri-color Carrier
Asat Bb Solid Black and White, Tri-color and liver carrier
Asat bb Solid Liver and White, Tri-color carrier

atat BB Tri-Colored black and white (Black, white, with tan points)
atat Bb Tri-Colored black and white, carrying liver
atat bb Tri-Colored liver and white (Liver, white, with tan points)


We're excited to have this added.
 Bedlie Buddies
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Here's a website that I think explains Poodle genetics pretty good.

www.netpets.com/dogs/reference/genetics/pdlcolor.html

A link to the thread that Breckenridge was talking about.

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110423
 Chiaha
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Ok, I am not in the breed on here but I had an email asking about colors so I will post it here. I have no idea how to make these charts, nor would I ever want to LOL. But, Mastiffs come in a few simple and main colors.

Fawn, w/Black Mask

Apricot, w/Black Mask

Fawn Brindle, w/Black Mask

Apricot Brindle, w/Black Mask

I think for the game those are all that anyone really needs to be concerned with.

These colors come in varying degrees from light to very dark. There are also black Mastiffs and pied Mastiffs but those to are on the very rare end of the scale. The brindle can go from soft to so dark they call it a black brindle, but it still has an under color of fawn or apricot. It is considered a serious fault with AKC to have a dog of any of these colors that lacks the dark ears or mask (and of course noses are always black).

Good luck, if someone wants to tackle this. They have asked for help in the Mastiff forum and not sure they have gotten it or not. If it has already been done, just ignore me being looney.
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Shiba Inu breeders have a consensus LOL

Here are the shiba genetics by chart and list:
(the chart makes it a little more clear)

www.heretek.net/shiba/shibagenetics2.html
(this is not a resource we found, we put this together ourselves)

Shiba Colours are:

Red, cream undercoat, cream urajiro
Red, cream undercoat, white urajiro
Red and white, cream undercoat, white urajiro
Red, buff undercoat, cream urajiro
Red, buff undercoat, white urajiro
Red and white, cream undercoat, white urajiro
Sesame, grey undercoat cream urajiro
Sesame, grey undercoat, white urajiro
Sesame and white, grey undercoat, white urajiro
Sesame, buff undercoat, cream urajiro
Sesame, buff undercoat, white urajiro
Sesame and white, buff undercoat, white urajiro
Sesame, cream undercoat, cream urajiro
Sesame, cream undercoat, white urajiro
Sesame and white, cream undercoat, white urajiro
Black & Tan, grey undercoat, cream urijiro
Black & Tan, grey undercoat white urijiro
Black & Tan and white, grey undercoat, white urajiro
Black & Tan, buff undercoat, cream urijiro
Black & Tan, buff undercoat, white urijiro
Black & Tan and white, buff undercoat, white urijiro
White/Pinto

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Red
Locus E: ee

ee AtAt CC DD SiSi Red Buff Cream Urajiro
ee AtAt CC DD Sisi Red Buff White Urajiro
ee AtAt CC DD sisi Red Buff White Urajiro with White
ee AtAt CC Dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAt CC Dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAt CC Dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAt CC dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAt CC dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAt CC dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAt Cc DD SiSi Red Buff Cream Urajiro
ee AtAt Cc DD Sisi Red Buff White Urajiro
ee AtAt Cc DD sisi Red Buff White Urajiro with White
ee AtAt Cc Dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAt Cc Dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAt Cc Dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAt Cc dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAt Cc dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAt Cc dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAt cc DD SiSi Red Buff Cream Urajiro
ee AtAt cc DD Sisi Red Buff White Urajiro
ee AtAt cc DD sisi Red Buff White Urajiro with White
ee AtAt cc Dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAt cc Dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAt cc Dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAt cc dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAt cc dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAt cc dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAy CC DD SiSi Red Buff Cream Urajiro
ee AtAy CC DD Sisi Red Buff White Urajiro
ee AtAy CC DD sisi Red Buff White Urajiro with White
ee AtAy CC Dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAy CC Dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAy CC Dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAy CC dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAy CC dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAy CC dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAy Cc DD SiSi Red Buff Cream Urajiro
ee AtAy Cc DD Sisi Red Buff White Urajiro
ee AtAy Cc DD sisi Red Buff White Urajiro with White
ee AtAy Cc Dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAy Cc Dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAy Cc Dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAy Cc dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAy Cc dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAy Cc dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAy cc DD SiSi Red Buff Cream Urajiro
ee AtAy cc DD Sisi Red Buff White Urajiro
ee AtAy cc DD sisi Red Buff White Urajiro with White
ee AtAy cc Dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAy cc Dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAy cc Dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AtAy cc dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AtAy cc dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AtAy cc dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AyAy CC DD SiSi Red Buff Cream Urajiro
ee AyAy CC DD Sisi Red Buff White Urajiro
ee AyAy CC DD sisi Red Buff White Urajiro with White
ee AyAy CC Dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AyAy CC Dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AyAy CC Dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AyAy CC dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AyAy CC dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AyAy CC dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AyAy Cc DD SiSi Red Buff Cream Urajiro
ee AyAy Cc DD Sisi Red Buff White Urajiro
ee AyAy Cc DD sisi Red Buff White Urajiro with White
ee AyAy Cc Dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AyAy Cc Dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AyAy Cc Dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AyAy Cc dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AyAy Cc dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AyAy Cc dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AyAy cc DD SiSi Red Buff Cream Urajiro
ee AyAy cc DD Sisi Red Buff White Urajiro
ee AyAy cc DD sisi Red Buff White Urajiro with White
ee AyAy cc Dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AyAy cc Dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AyAy cc Dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White
ee AyAy cc dd SiSi Red Cream Cream Urajiro
ee AyAy cc dd Sisi Red Cream White Urajiro
ee AyAy cc dd sisi Red Cream White Urajiro with White

Sesame
Locus A: AtAy, AyAy
Locus C: C-

Ee AtAy CC DD SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAy CC DD Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAy CC DD sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAy CC Dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAy CC Dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAy CC Dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAy CC dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAy CC dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAy CC dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAy Cc DD SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAy Cc DD Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAy Cc DD sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAy Cc Dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAy Cc Dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAy Cc Dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAy Cc dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAy Cc dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAy Cc dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AyAy CC DD SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AyAy CC DD Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AyAy CC DD sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AyAy CC Dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AyAy CC Dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AyAy CC Dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AyAy CC dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AyAy CC dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AyAy CC dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AyAy Cc DD SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AyAy Cc DD Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AyAy Cc DD sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AyAy Cc Dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AyAy Cc Dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AyAy Cc Dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AyAy Cc dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AyAy Cc dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
Ee AyAy Cc dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAy CC DD SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAy CC DD Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAy CC DD sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAy CC Dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAy CC Dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAy CC Dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAy CC dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAy CC dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAy CC dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAy Cc DD SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAy Cc DD Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAy Cc DD sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAy Cc Dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAy Cc Dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAy Cc Dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAy Cc dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAy Cc dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAy Cc dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AyAy CC DD SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AyAy CC DD Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AyAy CC DD sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AyAy CC Dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AyAy CC Dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AyAy CC Dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AyAy CC dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AyAy CC dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AyAy CC dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AyAy Cc DD SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AyAy Cc DD Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AyAy Cc DD sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AyAy Cc Dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AyAy Cc Dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AyAy Cc Dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AyAy Cc dd SiSi Sesame Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AyAy Cc dd Sisi Sesame Buff White Urajiro
EE AyAy Cc dd sisi Sesame Cream White Urajiro w/White

Black&Tan
Locus A: AtAt
Locus C: C-

Ee AtAt CC DD SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAt CC DD Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAt CC DD sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAt CC Dd SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAt CC Dd Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAt CC Dd sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAt CC dd SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAt CC dd Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAt CC dd sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAt Cc DD SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAt Cc DD Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAt Cc DD sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAt Cc Dd SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAt Cc Dd Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAt Cc Dd sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAt Cc dd SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAt Cc dd Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAt Cc dd sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAt CC DD SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAt CC DD Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAt CC DD sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAt CC Dd SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAt CC Dd Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAt CC Dd sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAt CC dd SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAt CC dd Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAt CC dd sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAt Cc DD SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAt Cc DD Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAt Cc DD sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAt Cc Dd SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAt Cc Dd Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAt Cc Dd sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAt Cc dd SiSi Black & Tan Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAt Cc dd Sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAt Cc dd sisi Black & Tan Buff White Urajiro w/White

White/Pinto Locus C cc

EE AtAt cc DD SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAt cc DD Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAt cc DD sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAt cc Dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAt cc Dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAt cc Dd sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAt cc dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAt cc dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAt cc dd sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAy cc DD SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAy cc DD Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAy cc DD sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAy cc Dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAy cc Dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAy cc Dd sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AtAy cc dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AtAy cc dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
EE AtAy cc dd sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AyAy cc DD SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AyAy cc DD Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
EE AyAy cc DD sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AyAy cc Dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AyAy cc Dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
EE AyAy cc Dd sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
EE AyAy cc dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
EE AyAy cc dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
EE AyAy cc dd sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAt cc DD SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAt cc DD Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAt cc DD sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAt cc Dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAt cc Dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAt cc Dd sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAt cc dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAt cc dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAt cc dd sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAy cc DD SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAy cc DD Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAy cc DD sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAy cc Dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAy cc Dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAy cc Dd sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AtAy cc dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AtAy cc dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
Ee AtAy cc dd sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AyAy cc DD SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AyAy cc DD Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
Ee AyAy cc DD sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AyAy cc Dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AyAy cc Dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
Ee AyAy cc Dd sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
Ee AyAy cc dd SiSi White/Cream Grey Cream Urajiro
Ee AyAy cc dd Sisi White/Cream Buff White Urajiro
Ee AyAy cc dd sisi White/Cream Cream White Urajiro w/White
 Mauvais
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The Colours for German Pinschers should be simple. They are Black and Tan, isabella, Red.

Those colours can be pulled from the Min Pin colours. happy :)

Edit: Isabella in German Pinschers does not have rust coloured markings. They are solid fawn coloured. Reds are solid red, no markings.
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happy :) happy :) SWEDISH VALLHUNDS happy :) happy :)

All the issues have been sorted and here is the right colours and there prcentages.

Black Sable = 15%
aaBBDDCC

Blue Sable = 5%
aaBBddCC

Grey Sable = 40%
aaBBDDcc
aaBBddcc

Red Sable = 35%
aabbDDCC
aabbddCC
aabbDDcc
aabbddcc

Yellow Sable = 5%
ayayBBddcc
ayayBBDDcc
ayaybbddcc
ayaybbDDcc
ayayBBddCC
ayayBBDDCC
ayaybbddCC
ayaybbDDCC

Note
ayay = ayay or aya
BB = BB or Bb
CC = CC or Cc
DD = DD or Dd

Thanks Griff for working out the genitics for us.
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www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110066

This link is to the discussion of coding for German Shepherd Dogs.

I am requesting assistance for the coding required for the very rare offspring in the color of liver.

Anyone who may be able to fill in that blank for us would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Pangea
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GREAT DANE COLOR

Locus’

*Locus A = Pattern Locus.
a^y = restricts dark pigment distribution; produces fawn/sable.
a^w = agouti "wild-type" allele: gives wolf-grey coloration. Also called a^g.
a^t = tan point allele: gives bicolored animal; dark body with tan points.a^b=recessive black (present in some breeds).

*Locus B = Brown Recessive (Allows for black and brown)
B = forms black pigment.
b = forms brown/liver/chocolate pigment (apparently new research indicates there are at least 3 recessives but all produce a brown that is phenotypically indistinquishable).

*Locus K = Dominant Black.
K(^bk) = dominant black (eumelanin) allele.
k^br=intermediate "brindle" allele.
k^f=recessive (phaeomelanin expression) allele.

*Locus E= Extension (restricts location of dark pigment)
E^m =melanistic masking.
E = allows for self colored dog/action of alleles of A & K Loci.
e = restricts pigment to red/yellow (no dark pigment can form).

DILUTED LOCUS COLORS

*Locus D = Dilution
D = allows for black pigment to form.
d = produces blue/slate/grey dilution (there are more than one form of mutation for this recessive, but, again, the phenotype for all the recessive alleles appears the same, a dull sort of gunmetal gray called blue in the Great Dane).

*Locus C = Chinchilla
C = allows for full depth of red/yellow pigment.
c^ch = reduces depth of pigment: produces washy or pale yellow coats. Present in Great Danes: C = standard calls for homozygosity. The recessive c^ch may be present in some fawns/brindles: "washy" coat color may be explained by this locus

*Locus I = Dilutes Phaeomelanin (red/yellow becomes cream/white)
I = dominant for normal intensity of coat.
i = recessive results in reduced intensity of coat.

*Locus P= Dilutes both melanins
P = dominant allows for normal density of pigment.
g = recessive results in paling of coat.

*Locus G= Produces incremental graying of eumelanin pigment as animal ages
G = dominant greying/paling allele
g = recessive allows for normal pigmentation to be maintained (no greying). Present in Great Dane: unknown, but the phenomenon of "Kerry Blue" greying doesn't appear in the breed. The locus is likely irrelevant to Danes.

WHITE LOCUS MARKINGS

*Locus M = Merle
M = merling/dappling/patching with increase in white/mid-tone areas.
m = non-merling allele.

*Locus S= Random Spotting
S = allows for self-colored dog with no more than 10% body white confined to the toes and chest when full extension of white.
s = "piebald pattern" or "random spotting: produces a wide range of variation in color percentage & location of pigmented areas.

*Locus T= Pattern Locus-ticking
T = dominant Ticking allele
t = recessive non-ticking


u]Attempted models

Fawn: A-B-C-D-E^m-(k^f/k^f)ggmmppSSttww

Brindle: A-B-C-D-E^m-(k^br-k^br)mmppSSttww

Blue:mmppSSttww

mmhh -- Black (not carrying Harl)

mmHh -- Black (carrying Harl)

Mmhh -- Merle

MmHh -- Harlequin

MMhh -- White (not carrying Harl)

MMHh -- White (carrying Harl)

Mantle:
A-B-C-D-E-K-mm(H/h)

Breeding/percentages:

Fawns

Fawn X Fawn = 100 % Fawns

Fawn X Brindle = 50% Brindle 50% Fawn

Fawn X Black = 33% Black 34%Fawn 33% Brindle

Brindle

Brindle X Brindle= 50%Fawn 50%Brindle

Brindle X Black = 50% Black 17 % Fawn 33% Brindle

Brindle X Fawn = 50% Brindle 50% Fawn

Blue

Blue X Blue = 100% Blue

Blue X Black = 50%Black 50%Blue

Black

Fawn X Black = 33% Black 34%Fawn 33% Brindle

Black X Black (fawn recessive)= 80% Black 10% Fawn 10%Brindle

Black X Blue = 50% Black 50% Blue

Black X Black = 50%Black 50% Blue

Black X White = 50%Harlequin 50% Merle

Black X Harlequin= 33.3%Harlequin, 16.6%merle, 50%black, or mantle

Mantle

Mantle X White = 50%Harlequin 50% Merle

Mantle X Harlequin= 20%Harlequin, 10%Merle, 20% Black, 50%Mantle


Harlequin

Harlequin X Harlequin= 33.3%Harlequin, 16.6%Merle, 25%Black, 25% White

Harlequin X Merle= 25% Harlequin, 25%Merle, 25%Black, 25%White

Harlequin X White= 50%Harlequin, 30%Merle, 20%black,

Mantle (or Black) X Harlequin= 16.6% merle, 50% black, 33.3% harl


% for starter color added 7/27/08

Fawn: 25%
Brindle: 15%
Blue: 1.5%
Harlequin: 25%
Mantle: 15%
Black: 15%
White: 2%
Merle: 3.5%
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Great Dane Color Genetics

Agouti Locus

a^y = Dominant allele that restricts dark pigment distribution; produces fawn/sable.
a^w = agouti "wild-type" allele: gives wolf-grey coloration. Also called a^g.
a^t = tan point allele: gives bicolored animal; dark body with tan points.
a^s = (conjectured) gives dark saddle pattern on tan body.
a^b=recessive black present in some breeds (e.g. GDSs).

Brown Locus

B = Dominant allele that allows for a fully pigmented (black) dog.
b = Recessive that permits the expression of brown (chocolate, liver, red) dilution.
Note: new research indicates there are TWO <b> recessives).
Affects skin/hair color simultaneously.

Chinchilla Locus

C = Tyrosinase dominant that allows for a fully pigmented (red/gold) dog.
c^ch = Chinchilla recessive that results in a "washy" pale gold coat.
c^e = extreme dilution = cream-colored coats.
c^a = true albino; total reduction of pigment via the interruption of the tyrosine pathway.

Dilution Locus

D = allows for black pigment to form.
d = produces blue/slate/gray dilution.
Affects skin/hair color simultaneously

Extension Locus

E^m = gives dark mask (superextension) on k recessives; otherwise allows for self.
E = allows for self colored dog; i.e. the actions of alleles of A/K loci are expressed.
e = restricts pigment to red/yellow (no dark pigment can form).

Dominant Black Locus

K = dominant black (eumelanin) allele. Gives a solidly dark (black, blue, brown) dog.
k^br = speculative brindle allele.
k= recessive (phaeomelanin) allele. Allows for bright/light pigment to express. Gives us our fawn Danes.

Spotting Locus

S = allows for self-colored dog: no more than 10% body white confined to the toes and chest even when full extension of white is even present.
s^i = "Irish pattern": produces an extension of white from 10% to 30% in a symmetrical pattern
involving some or all of the following areas: feet/lower legs/belly/chest/tail tip/collar/muzzle and blaze.

Merle Locus

M = merling/dappling/patching with increase in white/mid-tone (diluted pigment) areas. Present only in the Harlequin family: All Harlequin, all merles and all whites have this gene. No Mantles, "harl blacks" or piebalds carry merle.
m = non-merling allele (the only gene nearly ALL dogs and most all Danes have).

Harlequin Locus

H = Harlequin gene. Combined with the Merle gene, produces the Harlequin coat pattern. Present in all Harlequins and some whites. May lay "dormant" in black/Mantle dogs.
h = recessive allele present in all normal (heterozygote) merles and most all Danes.


I put this info together by taking bits from an article written by JP Yousha.
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I used the genetics by JP as well. How come you didn't participate in the thread I started in the breed forum? sad :( I sent an email to everyone asking for opinions/info/help and only one person replied via email but wasn't regarding genetic structures. *sniffles* Thanks for posting that though, made it a little bit more simpler. happy :)

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7/21/2008 10:32:04 PM reply with quote send message to Lugo Kennels Object to Post

Om my gosh Meagan, i completely forgot!!! I'm so sorry! I got your e-mail, but then it just slpped my mind!

I guess my post can only help Jeff a little more.

~Lugo Kennelshappy :)
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7/21/2008 10:36:27 PM reply with quote send message to Shadows Realm Object to Post

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Om my gosh Meagan, i completely forgot!!! I'm so sorry! I got your e-mail, but then it just slpped my mind!

I guess my post can only help Jeff a little more.

~Lugo Kennelshappy :)

Its no problem, my brain ran on empty awhile back. Good minds think alike though, I love JP's work. Plus their Harls are just amazing!

Can't wait for our colors!!!

Meagen

ETA: In my GSD kennel lol.
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7/22/2008 9:51:36 AM reply with quote send message to LoupGarou Object to Post

The few people who have been active in the color discussion--and there aren't too many TFT breeders to begin with--seem to have a consensus on these figures. Thanks to Marchen Terriers for the genetics info!

Tricolor (black): 50%
White/Tan: 35%
Tricolor (chocolate): 9%
White/Black: 3%
White/Chocolate: 3%

A Locus
A Black
ay Tan
at Tri-Colored

B Locus
B Black
b Chocolate

S Locus
S Solid colored (Does not come into play)
sp Piebald/Parti White Markings
sw Extreme White Markings (Mainly White)

White and Black
AABBspsp
AABBswsw
AABBspsw
AABbswsw
AABbspsp
AABbspsw
AayBBspsp
AayBbspsp
AayBBspsw
AayBbspsw
AayBBswsw
AayBbswsw
AatBBspsp
AatBbspsp
AatBBspsw
AatBbspsw
AatBBswsw
AatBbswsw

White and Tan
ayayBBspsp
ayayBBswsw
ayayBBspsw
ayayBbswsw
ayayBbspsp
ayayBbspsw
ayatBBspsp
ayatBBswsw
ayatBBspsw
ayatBbswsw
ayatBbspsp
ayatBbspsw

White Black and Tan
atatBBspsp
atatBBswsw
atatBBspsw
atatBbswsw
atatBbspsp
atatBbspsw

White Chocolate and Tan
atatbbspsp
atatbbswsw
atatbbspsw

White and Chocolate
AAbbspsp
AAbbspsw
AAbbswsw
Aatbbspsp
Aatbbswsw
Aatbbspsw
Aaybbspsp
Aaybbspsw
Aaybbswsw
ayaybbspsp
ayaybbspsw
ayaybbswsw

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