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 Oceanview Kennel
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Tibetan Spaniels have Agreed I believe:

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=111317

I believe the majority of us wanted to go with the first model posted by Sassy Shih Tzus and the second percentages.
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Belgian Tervurens have agreed, we decided on fawn, mahogany, and grey. The link for all the genetics is here:
www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110174

Thanks to Pendragon for getting this all put together! happy :)
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Old english sheepdog breeders have agreed:

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=112006
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www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=113140

American Cocker Spaniels


It's now fixed.
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The Chinese Shar-Pei people have agreed. I know Jeff is busy but eventually he'll get to this post! It's so far down the list..

K Locus
K - Black
ky - Fawn/Red

A Locus
ay - Red/Yellow
aw - Wild (In this breed, this is called sable)

B Locus
B - Black
b - Brown

C Locus
C - Dark pigmentation (Affects reds/yellows)
cch - Diluted reds/yellows

D Locus
D - Full pigmentation
d - Blue dilution

L Locus
LL - Horse coat
Ll - Brush coat
ll - Bear coat

Apricot Dilute Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(LL)

Apricot Dilute Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(Ll)

Apricot Dilute Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(ll)

Black Horse Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Black Brush Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Black Bear Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Blue Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Blue Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Blue Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Lilac Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Lilac Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Lilac Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Cream Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(LL)

Cream Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(Ll)

Cream Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(ll)

Cream Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(ee)(LL)

Cream Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(ee)(Ll)

Cream Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(ee)(ll)

Brown Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Brown Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Brown Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Chocolate Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Chocolate Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Chocolate Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Red Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(LL)

Red Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(Ll)

Red Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(ll)

Five Point Red Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd/dd)(ee)(LL)

Five Point Red Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd/dd)(ee)(Ll)

Five Point Red Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd/dd)(ee)(ll)

Red Fawn Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Red Fawn Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Red Fawn Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Fawn Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Fawn Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Fawn Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Isabella Dilute Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee/ee)(LL)

Isabella Dilute Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee/ee)(Ll)

Isabella Dilute Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee/ee)(ll)

Black Sable Horse Coat
(KK/Kky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Black Sable Brush Coat
(KK/Kky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Black Sable Bear Coat
(KK/Kky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Cream Sable Horse Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Cream Sable Brush Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Cream Sable Bear Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Fawn Sable Horse Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Fawn Sable Brush Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Fawn Sable Bear Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Red Sable Horse Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Red Sable Brush Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Red Sable Bear Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)


The percentages for the starter dogs' color are 5.88% for all colors.

Coat genetics are added in the color genetics.

The percentages for the starter dogs' for coat type are
Brush 60%
Horse 30%
Bear 10%

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=113493

Here is the post in our forum.

~Morgan
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Sorry. BIG Mistake!
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Border Collies-

Percentages for starter dogs-

Blacks- (60% total)
Black and White 45%
Black tricolour 14%
Black sable and white 1%

Blues- (10% total)
Blue and white 6%
Blue tricolour 3%
Blue sable and white 1%

Chocolates- (13% total)
Chocolate and white 8%
Chocolate tricolour 4%
Chocolate sable and white 1%

Aussie Red- (5% total)
Australian Red (black pigment)4%
Australian Red (liver pigment)1%

Merles- (12% total)
Blue merle 6%
Blue merle and tan 2.5%
Chocolate merle 2.5%
Chocolate merle and tan 1%

We did NOT agree on these percentages. We agreed on another set of percentages in the Border Collie topic.
These percentages were never posted there.
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Sorry Again
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Stop nit picking.
You are being a bit rude. If the majority of breeders did not agree on the percentages you supplied then I do not see how anyone is nitpicking. If anyone is doing anything it seems you are attempting to underhand.

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No one ever agrees with me because they always think about themselves (not here on SD, but the people around me in RL) so I just learn to do it how I wanted it, and in the middle of our agreements and what I would like. So now they are quibbing about 0.5% on a few rare colours.
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I'm not sure if it has been posted yet... but thanks to Marchen... the Saint Breeders agree...

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=112461

-Cassie
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Starlit/Ajax:

Don't insult the intelligence of the BC people by LYING to Jeff about the percentages of the colors, just because you can't have it your way. Others have agreed, and gave you reason why, the colors should be the way they are, to better represent RL percentages. Grow up!
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posted by Starlit Diamonds Kennels
Border Collies-

Percentages for starter dogs-

Blacks- (60% total)
Black and White 45%
Black tricolour 14%
Black sable and white 1%

Blues- (10% total)
Blue and white 6%
Blue tricolour 3%
Blue sable and white 1%

Chocolates- (13% total)
Chocolate and white 8%
Chocolate tricolour 4%
Chocolate sable and white 1%

Aussie Red- (5% total)
Australian Red (black pigment)4%
Australian Red (liver pigment)1%

Merles- (12% total)
Blue merle 6%
Blue merle and tan 2.5%
Chocolate merle 2.5%
Chocolate merle and tan 1%

We did NOT agree on these percentages. We agreed on another set of percentages in the Border Collie topic.
These percentages were never posted there.

Woooooooow that was conniving! I've been following the BC thread out of curiousity and I guess I have an idea as to why there's no forum now. sad :(
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I just learn to do it how I wanted it, and in the middle of our agreements and what I would like.
Maybe that's why no one aggrees with you... you refuse to see other people's perspectives, consider other's feelings, and try to compromise.

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