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As from the breed forum we are in agreement on the colors. We are going with all possible colors from Cardi's as they have many colors. Here they are


K Locus
Kbr- brindle (dominant)
k-no brindle

E Locus
Em- black mask (most dominant)
E- no mask
e- recessive red (completely recessive)

A Locus
ay-sable/red (dominant)
at- tricolor

M
M-merle (dominant)
m-not merle

B
B-black (dominant)
b-liver/chocolate

D
D-full color (dominant)
d- dilute

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Red
kk/E-/ay-/mm/B-/D-

Red w/ Mask
kk/Em-/ay-/mm/B-/D-

Brindle
Kbr-/E-/ay-/mm/B-/D-

Brindle w/ Mask
Kbr-/Em-/ay-/mm/B-/D-

Tricolor
kk/E-/atat/mm/B-/D-
kk/Em-/atat/mm/B-/D-

Tricolor w/ Brindle points
Kbr-/E-/atat/mm/B-/D-
Kbr-/Em-/atat/mm/B-/D-

Blue Merle
kk/E-/atat/Mm/B-/D-
kk/Em-/atat/Mm/B-/D-

Blue Merle w/ Brindle Points
Kbr-/E-/atat/Mm/B-/D-
Kbr-/Em-/atat/Mm/B-/D-

Sable Merle
kk/E-/ay-/Mm/B-/D-

Sable Merle w/ Mask
kk/Em-/ay-/Mm/B-/D-

Brindle Merle
Kbr-/E-/ay-/Mm/B-/D-

Brindle Merle w/ Mask
Kbr-/Em-/ay-/Mm/B-/D-

Recessive Red
--/ee/--/mm/B-/D-

Recessive Red Merle (not 100% sure merling appears on recessive red, but seems likely)
--/ee/--/Mm/B-/D-

Red w/ Blue Nose
kk/E-/Ay-/mm/B-/dd

Red w/ Brown Nose
kk/E-/Ay-/mm/bb/D-

Red w/ Lilac Nose
kk/E-/Ay-/mm/bb/dd

Red w/ Blue Mask
kk/Em-/Ay-/mm/B-/dd

Red w/ Brown Mask
kk/Em-/Ay-/mm/bb/D-

Red w/ Lilac Mask
kk/Em-/Ay-/mm/bb/dd

Blue Brindle
Kbr-/E-/Ay-/mm/B-/dd

Chocolate Brindle
Kbr-/E-/Ay-/mm/bb/D-

Lilac Brindle
Kbr-/E-/Ay-/mm/bb/dd

Blue Brindle w/ Mask
Kbr-/Em-/Ay-/mm/B-/dd

Chocolate Brindle w/ Mask
Kbr-/Em-/Ay-/mm/bb/D-

Liliac Brindle w/ Mask
Kbr-/Em-/Ay-/mm/bb/dd

Blue Tricolor
kk/E-/atat/mm/B-/dd
kk/Em-/atat/mm/B-/dd

Chocolate Tricolor
kk/E-/atat/mm/bb/D-
kk/Em-/atat/mm/bb/D-

Lilac Tricolor
kk/E-/atat/mm/bb/dd
kk/Em-/atat/mm/bb/dd

Blue Tricolor w/ Brindle Points
Kbr-/E-/atat/mm/B-/dd
Kbr-/Em-/atat/mm/B-/dd

Chocolate Tri w/ Brindle points
Kbr-/E-/atat/mm/bb/D-
Kbr-/Em-/atat/mm/bb/D-

Lilica Tri w/ Brindle Points
Kbr-/E-/atat/mm/bb/dd
Kbr-/Em-/atat/mm/bb/dd

Red w/ Blue Nose Merle
kk/E-/Ay-/Mm/B-/dd

Red w/ Brown Nose Merle
kk/E-/Ay-/Mm/bb/D-

Red w/ Lilac Nose Merle
kk/E-/Ay-/Mm/bb/dd

Red w/ Blue Mask Merle
kk/Em-/Ay-/Mm/B-/dd

Red w/ Brown Mask Merle
kk/Em-/Ay-/Mm/bb/D-

Red w/ Lilac Mask Merle
kk/Em-/Ay-/Mm/bb/dd

Blue Brindle Merle
Kbr-/E-/Ay-/Mm/B-/dd

Chocolate Brindle Merle
Kbr-/E-/Ay-/Mm/bb/D-

Lilac Brindle Merle
Kbr-/E-/Ay-/Mm/bb/dd

Blue Brindle w/ Mask Merle
Kbr-/Em-/Ay-/Mm/B-/dd

Chocolate Brindle w/ Mask Merle
Kbr-/Em-/Ay-/Mm/bb/D-

Liliac Brindle w/ Mask Merle
Kbr-/Em-/Ay-/Mm/bb/dd

Grey (dilute blue) Merle
kk/E-/atat/Mm/B-/dd
kk/Em-/atat/Mm/B-/dd

Chocolate Merle
kk/E-/atat/Mm/bb/D-
kk/Em-/atat/Mm/bb/D-

Lilac Merle
kk/E-/atat/Mm/bb/dd
kk/Em-/atat/Mm/bb/dd

Grey Merle w/ Brindle Points
Kbr-/E-/atat/Mm/B-/dd
Kbr-/Em-/atat/Mm/B-/dd

Chocolate Merle w/ Brindle points
Kbr-/E-/atat/Mm/bb/D-
Kbr-/Em-/atat/Mm/bb/D-

Lilac Merle w/ Brindle Points
Kbr-/E-/atat/Mm/bb/dd
Kbr-/Em-/atat/Mm/bb/dd

Recessive Red w/ Blue Nose
--/ee/--/mm/B-/dd

Recessive Red w/ Chocolate Nose
--/ee/--/mm/bb/D-

Recessive Red w/ Lilac Nose
--/ee/--/mm/bb/dd

Recessive Red w/ Blue Nose Merle
--/ee/--/Mm/B-/dd

Recessive Red w/ Chocolate Nose Merle
--/ee/--/Mm/bb/D-

Recessive Red w/ Lilac Nose Merle
--/ee/--/Mm/bb/dd


Finally, the double Merles

Blue Double Merle
kk/E-/atat/MM/B-/D-
kk/Em-/atat/MM/B-/D-

Blue Double Merle w/ Brindle Points
Kbr-/E-/atat/MM/B-/D-
Kbr-/Em-/atat/MM/B-/D-

Sable Double Merle
kk/E-/ay-/MM/B-/D-

Sable Double Merle w/ Mask
kk/Em-/ay-/MM/B-/D-

Brindle Double Merle
Kbr-/E-/ay-/MM/B-/D-

Brindle Double Merle w/ Mask
Kbr-/Em-/ay-/MM/B-/D-

Recessive Red Double Merle
--/ee/--/MM/B-/D-

Red w/ Blue Nose Double Merle
kk/E-/Ay-/MM/B-/dd

Red w/ Brown Nose Double Merle
kk/E-/Ay-/MM/bb/D-

Red w/ Lilac Nose Double Merle
kk/E-/Ay-/MM/bb/dd

Red w/ Blue Mask Double Merle
kk/Em-/Ay-/MM/B-/dd

Red w/ Brown Mask Double Merle
kk/Em-/Ay-/MM/bb/D-

Red w/ Lilac Mask Double Merle
kk/Em-/Ay-/MM/bb/dd

Blue Brindle Double Merle
Kbr-/E-/Ay-/MM/B-/dd

Chocolate Brindle Double Merle
Kbr-/E-/Ay-/MM/bb/D-

Lilac Brindle Double Merle
Kbr-/E-/Ay-/MM/bb/dd

Blue Brindle w/ Mask Double Merle
Kbr-/Em-/Ay-/MM/B-/dd

Chocolate Brindle w/ Mask Double Merle
Kbr-/Em-/Ay-/MM/bb/D-

Liliac Brindle w/ Mask Double Merle
Kbr-/Em-/Ay-/MM/bb/dd

Grey (dilute blue) Double Merle
kk/E-/atat/MM/B-/dd
kk/Em-/atat/MM/B-/dd

Chocolate Double Merle
kk/E-/atat/MM/bb/D-
kk/Em-/atat/MM/bb/D-

Lilac Double Merle
kk/E-/atat/MM/bb/dd
kk/Em-/atat/MM/bb/dd

Grey Double Merle w/ Brindle Points
Kbr-/E-/atat/MM/B-/dd
Kbr-/Em-/atat/MM/B-/dd

Chocolate Double Merle w/ Brindle points
Kbr-/E-/atat/MM/bb/D-
Kbr-/Em-/atat/MM/bb/D-

Lilac Double Merle w/ Brindle Points
Kbr-/E-/atat/MM/bb/dd
Kbr-/Em-/atat/MM/bb/dd

Recessive Red w/ Blue Nose Double Merle
--/ee/--/MM/B-/dd

Recessive Red w/ Chocolate Nose Double Merle
--/ee/--/MM/bb/D-

Recessive Red w/ Lilac Nose Double Merle
--/ee/--/MM/bb/dd

sorry we have a lot of colors :P

Harrier Breeders have agreed on our colours/genetic codes.

Here it is

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=111735

Hope to get colours soon

Jeff, we have had some discussion in the Toy Fox Terrier forum and would ask that you consider revising the color genetics to these new codes. When I posted the original genetics, we were under the misconception that they correctly reflected the RL color genetics for the breed--which they did for the most part, with a couple of important and notable exceptions. We do not have a very large group of breeders and so we do not have a very active forum, but you can see the discussion here. Thank you very much for not turning us down flat when the problem was first discussed in another thread in the Alpha forum:

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=111834

The correct model for TFT genetics includes the extreme white coat pattern, which Marchen identified but was hidden. We've just relabeled it so that we can see what dogs would have the appearance of color-headed white dogs.

We are indebted to Marchen for getting us started in the right direction and to Griff and Lilliput for helping us refine the codes and correct the other issues of which we were all at first unaware.

White and Black
aaBBspsp
aaBbspsp
aaBBswsp
aaBbswsp

White and Black (extreme)
aaBBswsw
aaBbswsw

White and Tan
ayayBBspsp
ayayBbspsp
ayaybbspsp
ayatBBspsp
ayatBbspsp
ayatbbspsp
ayaBBspsp
ayaBbspsp
ayabbspsp
ayayBBswsp
ayayBbswsp
ayaybbswsp
ayatBBswsp
ayatBbswsp
ayatbbswsp
ayaBBswsp
ayaBbswsp
ayabbswsp

White and Tan (extreme)
ayayBBswsw
ayayBbswsw
ayaybbswsw
ayatBBswsw
ayatBbswsw
ayatbbswsw
ayaBBswsw
ayaBbswsw
ayabbswsw

White Black and Tan
atatBBspsp
atatBbspsp
ataBBspsp
ataBbspsp
atatBBswsp
atatBbswsp
ataBBswsp
ataBbswsp

White Black and Tan (Extreme)
atatBBswsw
atatBbswsw
ataBBswsw
ataBbswsw

White Chocolate and Tan
atatbbspsp
atabbspsp
atatbbswsp
atabbswsp

White Chocolate and Tan (Extreme)
atatbbswsw
atabbswsw

White and Chocolate
aabbspsp
aabbswsp

White and Chocolate (Extreme)
aabbswsw

American water spaniels have agreed on a model...

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110787&recordnum=0


Lis

Jeff---if you look in the Chesapeake Bay Retriever Breed forum---there is genetics for Chessie colors---

Carey

Jack Russells are ready!

The Loci definitions are in a post half way down the first page and the final model with coat type & colour and percentages are in the first post of the 2nd page.

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110546

Thanks!

German Shepherds are ready.

collies are ready

American Cocker Spaniels are ready, if no one has already posted it.
www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=111862
~HP08~

Alaskan Klee Kais

and the link=>

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=111187

Here is the link for German Shepherds.

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=111623

Aussie sheps are still ready

Caucasian Mountain Dogs are ready! We have pretty extensive coding though.
Thanks bunches!
Nic

collie post since it wasnt posted befor:

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=111855

Miniature Schnauzer has been decided on
www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=111762

K - dominant black
k - non black

s - salt & pepper
b - black & silver

**Note s and b can be ay and at or C and ch, any one of these Dominant/Recessive combinations**

Black:
Kksb
Kkbb
Kkss
KKsb
KKbb
KKss

Salt & Pepper
kkss
kksb

Black & Silver
kkbb

My take on this is we should try to have a fairly even distribution of colours to start off with so:

Black 33%
Salt & Pepper 34%
Black & Silver 33%

English Cockers are ready. www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=112333

Yukon

Here is the Bullmastiff color form. Agreeable?

K Locus
kbr - Brindle
k - Not brindle

A Locus
ay - Red

C Locus
C - Normal
cch - Diluted


Fawn
kkayaycchcch

Fawn Brindle
kbrkayaycchcch
kbrkbrayaycchcch

Red
kkayayCC

Red Brindle
kbrkbrayayCC
kbrkayayCC

Red Fawn
kkayayCcch

Red Fawn Brindle
kbrkbrayayCcch
kbrkayayCcch


Brindle-45%
Fawn 32%
Fawn Brindle 6%
Red 10%
Red Brindle 2%
Red Fawn 5%

Here is what the Chinese Shar-Pei people agreed on.

K Locus
K - Black
ky - Fawn/Red

A Locus
ay - Red/Yellow
aw - Wild (In this breed, this is called sable)

B Locus
B - Black
b - Brown

C Locus
C - Dark pigmentation (Affects reds/yellows)
cch - Diluted reds/yellows

D Locus
D - Full pigmentation
d - Blue dilution

L Locus
LL - Horse coat
Ll - Brush coat
ll - Bear coat

Apricot Dilute Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(LL)

Apricot Dilute Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(Ll)

Apricot Dilute Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(ll)

Black Horse Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Black Brush Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Black Bear Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Blue Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Blue Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Blue Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Lilac Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Lilac Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Lilac Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Cream Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(LL)

Cream Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(Ll)

Cream Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(ll)

Cream Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(ee)(LL)

Cream Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(ee)(Ll)

Cream Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(ee)(ll)

Brown Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Brown Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Brown Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Chocolate Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Chocolate Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Chocolate Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky/kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Red Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(LL)

Red Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(Ll)

Red Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(ee)(ll)

Five Point Red Dilute Horse Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd/dd)(ee)(LL)

Five Point Red Dilute Brush Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd/dd)(ee)(Ll)

Five Point Red Dilute Bear Coat
(KK/Kky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd/dd)(ee)(ll)

Red Fawn Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Red Fawn Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Red Fawn Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Fawn Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Fawn Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Fawn Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Isabella Dilute Horse Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee/ee)(LL)

Isabella Dilute Brush Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee/ee)(Ll)

Isabella Dilute Bear Coat
(kyky)(ayay/ayaw/awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(dd)(EE/Ee/ee)(ll)

Black Sable Horse Coat
(KK/Kky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Black Sable Brush Coat
(KK/Kky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Black Sable Bear Coat
(KK/Kky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC/Ccch/cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Cream Sable Horse Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Cream Sable Brush Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Cream Sable Bear Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(cchcch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Fawn Sable Horse Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Fawn Sable Brush Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Fawn Sable Bear Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(Ccch)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)

Red Sable Horse Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(LL)

Red Sable Brush Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(Ll)

Red Sable Bear Coat
(kyky)(awaw)(BB/Bb)(CC)(DD/Dd)(EE/Ee)(ll)


5.88% for each color (that is them divided equally).

And for coats...

Horse x Horse = All Horse
Brush x Brush = Possibly Horse, Brush, and Bear
Bear x Bear = All Bear
Horse x Brush = Possibly Horse and Brush
Horse x Bear = All Brush
Brush x Bear = Possibly Brush and Bear

Horse - 40%
Brush - 40%
Bear - 20%

I think that is it.. our breed is somewhat complex!!

~Morgan

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posted by Catori Kennels
Caucasian Mountain Dogs are ready! We have pretty extensive coding though.
Thanks bunches!
Nic

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Here's the link to the final product for Jeff:

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=112463

Don't know if it's been posted or not but we've agreed in Pulik.

www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=111437