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ShelGrace Basic User Posts : 124 ![]() |
Pictures help me a lot. Could you point me in the right direction to see the difference between a fawn brindle and a red brindle? Is the red brindle just a deeper red than the fawn? As it is not possible for a e/e red to be brindle, I would guess that the fawn brindle and the red brindle would both be kbr/_ E/_ ay/ay, possibly with the difference being at the I locus, of which very little is known presently. That could be factored into the genotypes easily by having fawn dogs (either fawn or fawn brindle) being i/i, intermediately pigmented fawn dogs as I/i and "red" brindle or deep fawn dogs being I/I. So these guys would be I/I www.canadogs.com/images/StaffBullTerradult5.jpg www.healthgene.com/canine/images/staffordshire.jpg This guy would be I/i www.dogguide.net/images/breeds/staffordshirebullterrier.jpg And this guy would be i/i img.quamut.com/chart/1321/01_staffordshirebullterrier_profile.jpg I'm not saying there is necessarily anything wrong with your list. Just trying to help out. |
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Straightedge Basic User Posts : 358 ![]() |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I already went through a lot of this (it's in the staffiebull forum under the thread about color) there is really a great big lack of any useful sort of information. Which is why I had to do a "made up" sort of model. Admin is going to run into a lot of trouble if they are trying to get every single breed under the same genetic model. There is just too much information that is either stipulation or completely contradictory. Plus I don't even know which genetic model they are using as I have found two different models that have some very great differences to them. I think what you came up with is roughly the same as what I have, I didn't bother with nose color (anything with blue in it would have a blue nose, otherwise the nose is black). Check out the Staffiebull forum and you will have pretty much as much information as I have. Straightedge Kennel ETA... I think your I/i is the same as me using two different alleles at the D locus to differentiate between diluted red coat and diluted black and red coat. I know it is not scientific, but it was the only way I could come up with having red and fawn dogs (and not be stuck with red dogs with blue masks and/or brindling). Also there are only two colors listed in the standard... red and fawn. Using the "I" locus would give us three different shades. |
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Straightedge Basic User Posts : 358 ![]() |
luton.gumtree.com/posting_images/25/23479425__1209832686__1__1-fd4f1836ea16a042fbf0113f1b18389b.__big__.jpg This might be a light red brindle, it's hard to tell. homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/brindle.html Part way down is a picture of a fawn brindle Great Dane. This is the clearest picture of a fawn brindle dog I have been able to find. (I have dial-up so looking at too many pictures gets tedious after a while, but I will keep my eyes open) Straightedge Kennel |
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Kachina Kennels Basic User Posts : 385 ![]() |
I'm pretty sure all the Tibetan Mastiff breeders are in agreement and these were our findings: www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110078&recordnum=0 A=black d=blue dilute b=brown dilute Ay=gold (ranging from cream to red and is recessive to black dominent to black/tan) at=black and tan (completely recessive) Black A- D- B- AADDBB AADdBB AADDBb AADdBb AAyDDBB AAyDdBB AAyDDBb AAyDdBb AatDDBB AatDDBb AatDdBB AatDdBb Black/Tan at/at D- B- at/atDDBB at/atDdBB at/atDDBb at/atDdBb Blue Gray AA dd B- AAddBB AAddBb AAyddBB AAyddBb AatddBB AatddBb Blue Gray/Tan at/at dd B- at/atddBB at/atddBb Brown A- D- bb AADDbb AADdbb AAyDdbb AAyDDbb AatDDbb AatDdbb Brown/Tan at/at D- bb at/atDDbb at/atDdbb Gold Ay- D- B- AyAyDDBB AyAyDdBB AyAyDDBb AyAyDdBb AyatDDBB AyatDdBB AyatDDBb AyatDdBb Gold Dilute Ay- dd OR bb AyAyddBB AyAyddBb AyAyDDbb AyAyDdbb AyatddBB AyatddBb AyatDDbb AyatDdbb Double Dilute Gold (not cream, but a washed out tan) Ay- dd bb AyAyddbb Ayatddbb Double Dilute which has not been proven/seen in RL to my knowledge but is suspected to be weimeraner colored (blueish tan?) A-ddbb AAddbb Aatddbb Black and Tan - 30% Gold - 25% Black - 20% Blue - 5% Blue/tan - 5% Brown (chocolate) - 5% Brown/Tan - 5% Gold Dilute - 2% Gold Double Dilute - 2% Double Dilute - 1% (RL non-exsistant, but for the sake of genetics in the game) I'm guessing more popular breeds are in front of those of us in the middle of the popularity pole? Smiles, Nic |
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dandiedinmont12 Basic User Posts : 266 ![]() |
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Kimoko Premium Member Posts : 436 ![]() |
This is an EXTREMELY oversimplified color code for the ALASKAN MALAMUTE that should work for the game. Very basic. The real codes for this breed are just too extensive for this purpose. This will suffice and give us basic color. BASIC Colors; listed in order of prevelence in the breed: 35% Gray and White (very common) 25% Seal and white (very common) 15% Sable and White (common) 15% Red and White (common) 6% Blue and White (rare) 1.5% Black and White (very rare) 1.5% Mahogany and White (very rare) 1.0% White (very extremely rare) **IMPORTANT JEFF** In all colors: 25% non carrier b,d,e 25% b carrier 10% d carrier 1% e carrier AABBchchDDEE Gray and White AABbchchDDEE Gray and White/red carrier AABBchchDdEE Gray and white/dilute blue carrier AABBchchDDEe Gray and white/white carrier atatBBchchDDEE Seal and White atatBbchchDDEE Seal and white/red carrier atatBBchchDdEE Seal and white/dilute blue carrier atatBBchchDDEe seal and white/white carrier AABBChChDDEE Sable and white AABbChChDDEE Sable and white/red carrier AABBChChDdEE Sable and white/dilute blue carrier AABBChChDDEe Sable and white/white carrier AAbbchchDDEE Red and white AAbbchchDdEE Red and white/dilute carrier AAbbchchDDEe Red and white/white carrier AABBchchddEE Blue and white AABbchchddEE Blue and white/red carrier AABbchchddEe Blue and white/white carrier atatBBchchDDEE Black and White atatBbchchDDEE Black and white/red carrier atatBBchchDdEE Black and white/dilute blue carrier atatBBchchDDEe Black and white/white carrier atatbbchchDDEE Mahogany and white atatbbchchDdEE Mahogany and white/dilute carrier atatbbchchDDEe Mahogany and white/white carrier AABBchchDDee White AABbchchDDee White/red carrier AABBchchDdee White/dilute carrier Suz (Kimoko) |
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tribernbmd Basic User Posts : 303 ![]() |
I have found a reference for Bernese Mountain Dogs from Dr Malcolm Willis who states all Bernese are CC (coloured) DD (non dilution) EE (extension of pigment) gg (black not altering to blue) mm (non merle) tt (non ticked) and atatBBsisi. Although there have been a few VERY rare reports of red, tan and white Bernese which would be atatbbsisi (so there is a possibility that some dogs are actually Bb) this is so rare as to mean that most people in the breed have never seen one and can expect to never see one ! Hope this helps ![]() |
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Straightedge Basic User Posts : 358 ![]() |
I was just wondering if Admin could post the genetic model that they want the breeds expressed in. List all the loci and the alleles that are possible at those loci and how they affect coat color. I think that might make things a little less confusing (and help breeds that are trying to figure out how to make there colors work). I have seen at least two separate models that have great differences in the way the genes are supposed to interact. If we have the "official" model then we can at least try to get the most accurate breed model out of it (getting all the needed colors and how they interact due to breeding). I know that my staffie bull model is "made up" and might not be useful to you. Straightedge Kennel |
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Sunwing Premium Member Posts : 238 ![]() |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) collie.com/collie_color_chart.html" target="_blank">www.blessedacrescollie.com/collie_color_chart.html This site is the best example I could find on the web that accurately portrays Rough/Smooth Collie color inheritance. It includes genetics, as well as percentages in litters and was taken from a vet book on the breed specifically (almost literally no reading, all pictures and gene listings) I'm still trying to find a registry of the percentages of colors in collies, but I can tell you based on entries in shows as well as pups in breeding, what I've noticed being the most in color: Sables 50% Tricolors 25% Blue Merles 20% Sable Merles 5% I have seen whites scattered about, but I only know of 2 breeders of White Collies, and not all of their collies are white. So out of a hundred I'd have to say I've seen about 10% of them be white. Then again, that is all based on my own personal experience in the breed. Someone would have to look up registered colors, which I currently dont know where to find for them. Also to add, Sable Merles (both tri-factored and not) are entered in Sable classes. Also...again, here is the Collie forum posts: www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110060 |
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Outback Kelpies Basic User Posts : 63 ![]() |
this post has been edited 5 time(s) I found this very simplified model for the Kelpies. Does anyone have any suggestions or changes??? Thanks, Patty *********************************** Percentage of Color Distribution: 1. Black & Tan 25% 2. Brown & Tan 20% 3. Cream 15% 4. Brown 10% 5. Blue 10% 6. Black 10% 7. Blue & Tan 5% 8. Fawn 2.5% 9. Fawn & Tan 2.5% (Please note: This is the best figure I am able to come up with as there is some debate on the colors between the show and working breeders.) *Black* BBDDEEKK BbDdEeKk *Brown* bbDDEEKK bbDdEeKk *Blue* BBddEEKK BbddEeKk *Fawn* bbddEEKK bbddEeKk *Black W/Tan Points* atat BBDDEEkk atat BbDdEekk *Brown W/Tan Points* atat bbDDEEkk atat bbDdEekk *Blue W/Tan Points* atat BBddEEkk atat BbddEekk *Fawn W/Tan Points* atat bbddEEkk atat bbddEekk *Cream* BBddee Bbddee bbddee bbDdee bbDDee BBDDee BbDdee |
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Chiaha Basic User Posts : 3,000+ ![]() |
If someone could email me and show me how you get the break downs (in easy to understand format) I could do Mastiffs. They should be pretty easy and straight forward with only a few colors, minus the very rare pop up. Jenn |
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Wicked Mountains Basic User Posts : 500+ ![]() |
I'm having a very hard time finding the genetics for both Caucasians and Estrelas, does anyone know of a useful site with rare breed genetics? Jen |
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Brillo Pad Basic User Posts : 118 ![]() |
Calling any geneticists. I wonder if someone in the know could check out our post in the GSP forum re coding for GSP colours. www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110162 I'm not sure if I have it right, genetics not really being my thing. Thanks, BP. |
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griffin Basic User Posts : 3,000+ ![]() |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) For rare breed you probably will not beable to find much specific information about them. Try just Guestimating how it works from the general sites. B>b B - black b - brown D>d D - not dilute d - dilute (black is blue, brown is cream or fawn or pale brown, gold is cream/fawn) Ai>ay>at>a Ai - agouti (present in some primative type breeds) ay - sable/gold/yellow at - has tan points a - black/regular colour C>ch C - regular colour ch - silvered (less brown), or another dilution factor S>si>sp>sw S - no white si - white paws, chest, tail tip sp - mostly white with patches of colour sw - all white K>kb>ky K - black/ regular colour kb - brindle ky - allows A gene expression M>m M - merle m - no merle T>t T - no ticking t - ticking Em>E>e Em - mask E - normal colour e - red/lemon Figure out which genes are involved in the colours of your breed and ignore the rest. For instance in my post in Sibes I ignored E, T, M, K, D genes entirely and I ignored at, ay from the A series because they are all constant in Sibes (or they didn't line up with the colours possible eg. pale red is present but blue is not so I used C/ch instead of D/d) grif, |
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Oberon Kennels Basic User Posts : 152 ![]() |
I'd help...but i have no clue what anyone's doing...or how they're figuring it out. |
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Mypuppydoesagility Basic User Posts : 3,000+ ![]() |
Still don't understand it much...this probably isn't right, but w/e. Black: K Brindle: k>br Black Carrying Brindle: K/k>br Black Carrying Fawn: K/k Brindles carrying fawn: k>br/k Tri-color: at White: swsw White markings: S Black Pigment: B Brown Pigment: bb Black mask: Em |
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apso s Basic User Posts : 228 ![]() |
this post has been edited 3 time(s) The lhasa apso colours have now been sorted and another uses has just posted them up. (there on the last page now) |
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sasher Basic User Posts : 500+ ![]() |
I do have one question that has come up in my breed(s). Are there going to be disqualifications and faults for illegal colors? This would be more realistic and add more strategy to the game. sasher |
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rockymountain Basic User Posts : 1,000+ ![]() |
that is also a question in my breed. If there is a way to prevent them from showing or whatever they are not allowed to do when not registered, I think I would like to have them. |
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admin Administrator Forum Moderator Posts : 5,000+ ![]() ![]() |
I don't plan on it right now and even if we did, there would be a very long (six-month or so) warning to give plenty of time to breed for whatever colors are necessary. |
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