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That's a relief! I myself was wondering...


~Peace

My head hurts!

This is all confusing lol, but i love the idea. Great job Jeff!

~hotTtrot~

Cavaliers...

Is this what you are looking for?

cavalierkingcharles.org.uk/colour_inheritance.html

Dandie Dinmont Terriers have very simple genetics:

B --> mustard dominate gene
b --> pepper recessive gene

It works with simple Mendelian inheritance for example two heterozyotes breed (Bb)produces the ratio of 1:2:1 (BB:Bb:bb).

There is only one exception if two homozygotes for the pepper recessive gene breed (bb) this will produce all pepper dogs with washy coats that cannot be shown.

That is all there is to Dandie coat genetics; if there is something that you do not understand please message me and i will clarify.

Think about this...what if your BEST puppy in a long time was a DQ color and you had to fh it? what it an entire litter you waited for and that cost you money to feed, was all a DQ color?

Having DQ colors in a breed would mean that breeders would have to study pedigrees and know how coat color inheritance works. The only way to NOT produce a DQ is to know HOW not to produce it.

Tamook

This is what Kotakai came up with in the AKK forum. everyone has agreed on it

ALASKAN KLEE KAI color code model

There are only three acceptable colors for the AKK:

Black and white 45% population
Gray and white 45% population
Red and white 10% population

AABB Gray and white
AABb Gray and white/red carrier
AatBB Gray and white/ tan point (black) carrier
AatBb Gray and white/ tan point (black) carrier and red carrier

atatBB Black and white
atatBb Black and white/ red carrier

AAbb Red and white
Aatbb Red and white/tan point (dark red) carrier
atatbb Red and white

Jeff, do Golden's have enough information to get colors or do we still need more?


~Peace

Locus C:
C - Dark Shading
c - Lighter shading

Locus E:
E - Dark pigmentation (Intense color)
e - Blocking of dark color, creating lighter color


So...

Dark Goldens
AsAsBBCCDDEEggmmSStt
AsAsBBCcDDEeggmmSStt
AsAsBBCCDDEeggmmSStt
AsAsBBCcDDEeggmmSStt

Medium Goldens
AsAsBBCCDDeeggmmSStt
AsAsBBCcDDeeggmmSStt
AsAsBBccDDEEggmmSStt
AsAsBBccDDEeggmmSStt

Light Goldens
AsAsBBccDDeeggmmSStt

I figured if both the C and E locus were dark and intense, this would create the dark goldens. If one of them was light and one was dark, I figured this would create the medium. If both were light, this would create light. That creates only one possible option for light goldens, making them more rare. For distribution, the dark pigment is always more dominant than light. So if I were to make a guess, I would say there are more dark goldens, then medium goldens, then light goldens.
Possibly 40% dark, 35% medium, 25% light


That is what was come up with for golden colors

BTW thank you Cloud Nine for take the time to figure all that out and come up with it for us.

Becky

I hope this is what you may be looking for, I am in Toy Poodles, but it should be the same for all. The Toy Poodle forum is dead, so I can't check with them

www.netpets.org/dogs/reference/genetics/pdlcolor.html
Also this...
homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/poodle.html


Wendy

Hey Fox Run,

I don't mean to be nosy, it's completely up to you folks if you want the advice or not But it might come into play later on if Admin puts in genetic testing for color.

I'm assuming your post was for Golden Retrievers? In which case, they are all e/e at the E locus. The E locus codes for either black or red. A dominant allele (E) produces black pigment, two recessive alleles (e/e) is red pigment. So the only gene that would vary to produce different shades of red would be the C locus. (In reality, it is the I locus, but for the sake of the game the letter C will work just as well.)

So dark golden would be:
K/K e/e B/B C/C S/S

Medium golden would be:
K/K e/e B/B C/c S/S

Light golden would be:

K/K e/e B/B c/c S/S

Everything is the same, save for the co-dominant inheritance of the C locus.

In regards to Golden Retrievers, Cloud Nine has done a wonderful job with their research. But Shelgrace is right that Golden Retrievers can only be ee at the E Locus so there only needs to be a slight adjustment to the part on Cloud Nine's model. Thanks for your help both Cloud Nine and Shelgrace.

Okay, here is what I have come up with for Pyrenean Shepherds ...

Genes of note:
A (fixed for ay)
K (KB, kbr, and ky)
E (E or EM)
D (D or d)
M (M or m)


Fawn
ky/ky E/E D/D m/m ay/ay (fawn, no mask)
ky/ky E/E D/d m/m ay/ay (fawn, no mask)
ky/ky E/E d/d m/m ay/ay (fawn, no mask, grey nose)
ky/ky EM/EM D/D m/m ay/ay (fawn, black mask)
ky/ky EM/EM D/d m/m ay/ay (fawn, black mask)
ky/ky EM/E D/d m/m ay/ay (fawn, black mask)
ky/ky EM/EM d/d m/m ay/ay (fawn, grey mask)
ky/ky EM/E d/d m/m ay/ay (fawn, grey mask)
ky/ky EM/E D/d m/m ay/ay (fawn, black mask)

Grey
KB/KB E/E d/d m/m ay/ay
KB/kbr E/E d/d m/m ay/ay
KB/ky E/E d/d m/m ay/ay
KB/KB EM/EM d/d m/m ay/ay
KB/kbr EM/EM d/d m/m ay/ay
KB/ky EM/EM d/d m/m ay/ay
KB/KB EM/E d/d m/m ay/ay
KB/kbr EM/E d/d m/m ay/ay
KB/ky EM/E d/d m/m ay/ay

Merle
KB/KB E/E d/d M/m ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/kbr E/E d/d M/m ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/ky E/E d/d M/m ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/KB EM/EM d/d M/m ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/kbr EM/EM d/d M/m ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/ky EM/EM d/d M/m ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/KB EM/E d/d M/m ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/kbr EM/E d/d M/m ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/ky EM/E d/d M/m ay/ay (blue merle)
ky/ky E/E D/D M/m ay/ay (fawn merle, no mask)
ky/ky E/E D/d M/m ay/ay (fawn merle, no mask)
ky/ky E/E d/d M/m ay/ay (fawn merle, no mask, grey nose)
ky/ky EM/EM D/D M/m ay/ay (fawn merle, black mask)
ky/ky EM/E D/d M/m ay/ay (fawn merle, black mask)
ky/ky EM/EM d/d M/m ay/ay (fawn merle, grey mask)
ky/ky EM/E d/d M/m ay/ay (fawn merle, grey mask)
KB/KB E/E D/D M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr E/E D/D M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky E/E D/D M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB EM/EM D/D M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr EM/EM D/D M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky EM/EM D/D M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB EM/E D/D M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr EM/E D/D M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky EM/E D/D M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB E/E D/d M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr E/E D/d M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky E/E D/d M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB EM/EM D/d M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr EM/EM D/d M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky EM/EM D/d M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB EM/E D/d M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr EM/E D/d M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky EM/E D/d M/m ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB E/E d/d M/M ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/kbr E/E d/d M/M ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/ky E/E d/d M/M ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/KB EM/EM d/d M/M ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/kbr EM/EM d/d M/M ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/ky EM/EM d/d M/M ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/KB EM/E d/d M/M ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/kbr EM/E d/d M/M ay/ay (blue merle)
KB/ky EM/E d/d M/M ay/ay (blue merle)
ky/ky E/E D/D M/M ay/ay (fawn merle, no mask)
ky/ky E/E D/d M/M ay/ay (fawn merle, no mask)
ky/ky E/E d/d M/M ay/ay (fawn merle, no mask, grey nose)
ky/ky EM/EM D/D M/M ay/ay (fawn merle, black mask)
ky/ky EM/E D/d M/M ay/ay (fawn merle, black mask)
ky/ky EM/EM d/d M/M ay/ay (fawn merle, grey mask)
ky/ky EM/E d/d M/M ay/ay (fawn merle, grey mask)
KB/KB E/E D/D M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr E/E D/D M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky E/E D/D M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB EM/EM D/D M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr EM/EM D/D M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky EM/EM D/D M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB EM/E D/D M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr EM/E D/D M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky EM/E D/D M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB E/E D/d M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr E/E D/d M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky E/E D/d M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB EM/EM D/d M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr EM/EM D/d M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky EM/EM D/d M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/KB EM/E D/d M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/kbr EM/E D/d M/M ay/ay (black merle)
KB/ky EM/E D/d M/M ay/ay (black merle)

Brindle
kbr/kbr E/E D/D m/m ay/ay (brindle, no mask)
kbr/kbr E/E D/d m/m ay/ay (brindle, no mask)
kbr/kbr E/E d/d m/m ay/ay (grey brindle)
kbr/ky EM/EM D/D m/m ay/ay (brindle, black mask)
kbr/ky EM/E D/d m/m ay/ay (brindle, black mask)
kbr/ky EM/EM d/d m/m ay/ay (grey brindle with mask)
kbr/ky EM/E d/d m/m ay/ay (grey brindle with mask)

Black
KB/KB E/E D/D m/m ay/ay
KB/kbr E/E D/D m/m ay/ay
KB/ky E/E D/D m/m ay/ay
KB/KB EM/EM D/D m/m ay/ay
KB/kbr EM/EM D/D m/m ay/ay
KB/ky EM/EM D/D m/m ay/ay
KB/KB EM/E D/D m/m ay/ay
KB/kbr EM/E D/D m/m ay/ay
KB/ky EM/E D/D m/m ay/ay
KB/KB E/E D/d m/m ay/ay
KB/kbr E/E D/d m/m ay/ay
KB/ky E/E D/d m/m ay/ay
KB/KB EM/EM D/d m/m ay/ay
KB/kbr EM/EM D/d m/m ay/ay
KB/ky EM/EM D/d m/m ay/ay
KB/KB EM/E D/d m/m ay/ay
KB/kbr EM/E D/d m/m ay/ay
KB/ky EM/E D/d m/m ay/ay

Brindle Merle
kbr/kbr E/E D/D M/m ay/ay (no mask)
kbr/kbr E/E D/d M/m ay/ay (no mask)
kbr/kbr E/E d/d M/m ay/ay (grey brindle merle)
kbr/ky EM/EM D/D M/m ay/ay (black mask)
kbr/ky EM/E D/d M/m ay/ay (black mask)
kbr/ky EM/EM d/d M/m ay/ay (grey brindle merle with mask)
kbr/ky EM/E d/d M/m ay/ay (grey brindle merle with mask)
kbr/kbr E/E D/D M/M ay/ay (no mask)
kbr/kbr E/E D/d M/M ay/ay (no mask)
kbr/kbr E/E d/d M/M ay/ay (grey brindle merle)
kbr/ky EM/EM D/D M/M ay/ay (black mask)
kbr/ky EM/E D/d M/M ay/ay (black mask)
kbr/ky EM/EM d/d M/M ay/ay (grey brindle merle with mask)
kbr/ky EM/E d/d M/M ay/ay (grey brindle merle with mask)

I will also place %'s as:
Fawn 25%
Grey 25%
Brindle 20%
Merle 15%
Black 15%

Hi Shelgrace - don't suppose you'd like to do that for whippets!!! Since they can and do come in every colour and combination of colours under the sun I'm guessing it'll be a nightmare.

I know in UK, Austalia, Europe and most anywhere else it really is as simple as anything goes - it's just in the States that there is disqualification for light eyes and nose I think but I'm not sure exactly of the US standard.

Perhaps just sticking to coat colour might be easier!!!!!!!!!

Alesar,

I can try to put something together for Whippets.

I need to run into work for a couple hours this morning, but can work on it when I get home.

If you want to make a list of the colors seen in Whippets so that I don't miss any, it will make it easier. It's also beneficial to know what "breed terms" are used for each color, as the genetic terms that I speak in are often different.

Wow we have it easy

Dalmatian Colors

BB Black spotted
Bb Black spotted (Liver factored)
bb Liver spotted

To start a 75% BB and 25% bb should be about right.

This is excluding the various anomolies that can happen but aren't common such as Tricolor, and a pigmentation gene EE (ee) which many of us would never see and are a disqualification... since this game doesn't work with DQs (yet) then I don't think they should be added.

This also doesn't represent the spotting genes... we know they are there but since they are all spotted again..since the games isn't dealing with degrees such as the extent of the markings etc.. this very simple model should work. Let me know if it doesn't.

Kimberly/Richmark

Those of you that are still working on colors. I find it easier if you start with a list of all possibilities. If you go to www.akccolors.org/ you can see a list of standard and alternate colors for your breed.

Is there anyone who might be willing to tackle the Borzoi colors? I made a post in the breed forum a few days back, but so far there's been no response and I don't have the first clue on how to do this myself.

Thank you to anyone who's willing to help

Good luck.

Norwegian Buhunds, very very simple!
www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110134 for thread.

Pale Weaton
ayay

Dark Weaton
aya

Black
aa

Info courtesy Griffin!!

(ed to add: Whoops, thanks guys!)

Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Forum Thread: www.showdog.com/login/Breeds/philboard_read.aspx?id=110169

A locus, genes: ay ay- atR atb
C locus, genes: C cch

ay red (dominant to tris)
ay- weak red (lets a recessive tricolor gene be expressed a little thru the red)
atR red head tricolor (recessive to red, dominant to black headed tricolor)
atb black headed tricolor (recessive to red and red headed tricolor)
C red (in combo with cch mixes to medium red, called red)
cch fawn (in combo with C mixes to medium red, called red)

Sorted by color:

RED (68%)
ayay CC
ayay Ccch
ayay- CC
ayay- Ccch
ay-ay- CC
ay-ay- Ccch
ayatR CC
ayatR Ccch
ayatb CC
ayatb Ccch

FAWN (2%)
ayay cchcch
ayay- cchcch
ay-ay- cchcch
ayatR cchcch
ayatb cchcch

RED WITH SABLING (3%)
ay-atR CC
ay-atR Ccch
ay-atb CC
ay-atb Ccch

FAWN WITH SABLING (1%)
ay-atR cchcch
ay-atb cchcch

RED HEADED TRICOLOR (20%)
atRatR CC
atRatR Ccch
atRatR cchcch
atRatb CC
atRatb Ccch
atRatb cchcch

BLACK HEADED TRICOLOR (6%)
atbatb CC
atbatb Ccch
atbatb cchcch